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Re: Američki fudbal - NFL

Postby Pit Bull » 22 Sep 2017, 04:42

Kakva utakmica, kakav call Sanahana :blue: :blue: :blue: :blue:

Ovo ce biti epski fail ako Ramsi izgube. Imali su 2 TDa fore i loptu na 6 minuta do kraja :D
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Re: Američki fudbal - NFL

Postby John Doe » 22 Sep 2017, 04:52

Ku*ac...
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Re: Američki fudbal - NFL

Postby Felipao » 22 Sep 2017, 08:35

Jbt, nije ni cudo sto smo godinama najgori kad nam prvi wr bio Tavon Ostin. Tek sad sa dolaskom Semi Votkinsa, Vudsa, Kupera Kupa se vidi koliko je Ostin nemocan igrac. Nista nije uradio u 3 utakmice osim 3 fambla. Jedan nam je direktno doneo poraz, drugi sinoc zamalo.
Dalje, ofanzivni teklovi najzad rade svoj posao. Vrhunski blokiraju, jedino sto Gof mora da nauci jeste da udje u jebeni dzep a ne da se povlaci pod pritiskom I samim tim uleti pravo u zagrljaj spoljnih rushera koje OT guraju u tom pravcu ( inace karakteristika srpskih qb)
Aron Donald - uf, najzad je odigrao na svom nivou I ova odbrana bez njega je busan k. Jedinstven igrac
Gurli macka nastavlja da melje, 6td u prve 3 utakmice sezone, izaslo je sinoc na telopu da je time izjednacio rekorde Dikersona I Marsala Folka a po broju poena Remsi su tu negde ili cak I prestigli rekordnu generaciju iz 2000 - e.
Sve u svemu, napad ce biti picikato, sad samo da se Filipsu obezbedi personal da izgradi odbranu I mi smo lagano PO kontenderi u sezonama koje slede.
Jebeno najzad :D
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Re: Američki fudbal - NFL

Postby John Schneider » 22 Sep 2017, 09:29

Joooojjjjj...pa vi ste sinoc trebali da izgubite od raspalih najnersa posle +15 6min do kraja da vam sudija smesnom odlukom nije spasao guzicu...dok je snajdera I kerola vi necete videti PO...:D
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Re: Američki fudbal - NFL

Postby Felipao » 22 Sep 2017, 09:33

Pa vi ovom SF niste mogli da spakujete 10 poena. Ja bih pre cutao :D Vidimo se u medjusobnom :D
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Postby John Schneider » 22 Sep 2017, 09:39

Felipao wrote:Pa vi ovom SF niste mogli da spakujete 10 poena. Ja bih pre cutao :D Vidimo se u medjusobnom :D

Krenule su spekulacije da je RW povredjen. Kazu da mu je mehanika uzasna, da protiv SF nije pokusao ni jedan dubok pas iako je imao prilike I da sumnjaju na povredu ramena. Jebem li ga bas.
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Re: Američki fudbal - NFL

Postby mmarko28 » 22 Sep 2017, 11:05

Felipao wrote:Pa vi ovom SF niste mogli da spakujete 10 poena. Ja bih pre cutao :D Vidimo se u medjusobnom :D


Felipao, Ramsi dobiju mrtve 49ERS-e i ti već pričaš o playoffu. Ono što si zaboravio je da su Ramsi primili 39 poena od 49ERS-a i Hoyera.
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Re: Američki fudbal - NFL

Postby Felipao » 22 Sep 2017, 11:21

Pa nisam pricao ove sezone :D Pa to je realan rasplet po meni, onog trenutka kad ovaj tim dobije pojacanja u odbrani. Specijalni tim nam je medju najjacim unitima u ligi, prvi smo u pantovanju vec godinama, Fasel vrhunski radi taj deo posla. Mekvej je vec poslozio napad dosta dobro, 100 + poena u 3 utakmice se ne bi postideo ni New England. Ali nije poenta ni u poenima I statistici vec nacinu na koji napad funkcionise a koji se meni izuzetno dopada. Odbrana skripi, al tu je evidentan nedostatak personala. S obzirom da je trener tog unita Filips, covek koji dokazano zna da poslozi odbranu, uz to ima i Donalda, meni to apsolutno daje pravo na optimizam. Uz to faktor divizije koja je izuzetno oslabila, pa sto da ne ? U cemu to, gledajuci perspektivu tima, bilo koji divizijski rival prednjaci u odnosu na Ramse ?
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Re: Američki fudbal - NFL

Postby John Doe » 22 Sep 2017, 11:56

Jel bio ono ofanzivni interfirens Tejlora?
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Re: Američki fudbal - NFL

Postby John Schneider » 22 Sep 2017, 12:16

Felipao wrote: U cemu to, gledajuci perspektivu tima, bilo koji divizijski rival prednjaci u odnosu na Ramse ?


Odakle da krenem...:D

Ajde ovako, prvo Snajder je jedan od najbolji GM-ova u ligi I ima potpunu slobodu kada je njegov posao u pitanju bez ikakvih pritisaka odgore...

Drugo Kerol jos ne planira da se povuce a realno je jedan od top 5 trenera lige...

E sada sto se tice tima...

QB je realno franchize QB koji ima 29 godina I bar jos 3,4 godine pred sobom na vrhunskom nivou...Ramsi imaju mrtvog Gofa...

Napad ima jaku losu OL ali I najmladju OL u celoj ligi u kojoj igraju mahom pikovi prve tri runde drafta...videcemo na sta ce to da ispadne...OL Ramsa trenutno drzi covek od 35 godina...

Hvatacke I trkacke opcije su prilicno mlade sa puno potencijala...

Odbrana je najbolja odbrana lige, gde niko nema vise od 30 godina osim Beneta I Avrila...A vec ima par pas rasera na celu sa Klarkom koji ce tu biti jos dugo dugo...Klark, Ricardson, Vagner, Vrajt, Tomas, Censelor imaju jos bar tri godine ispred sebe na top nivou...a sve preko toga je daleka buducnost u ovom trenutku...
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Postby Dr Arslanagic » 22 Sep 2017, 12:27

Pomalo ste subjektivni u procenama :biggrin:

Navijam da se Ramsi podignu i osvoje. Medjutim.
Problem na ILB je veliki. Timovi sa dobrom run igrom ce ih sahraniti.
Gof se ne snalazi dobro pod pritiskom i sigurno ce Ramsi biti tim koji ce biti najvise blicovan u ligi.

Sijetl ima problema sa OL koji su takodje veliki. Recimo, nece moci da ustanove run igru. A cim nemas jedan segment igre odbrani je mnogo lakse.

Arizona ima previse problema sa povredama, i ne verujem da cu uspeti da se izvuce. Fic ne moze vise.
SF je u rebildingu.

Sve u svemu, bilo koji od ova 4 tima ce biti lagano pociscen u prvom kolu PO.
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Re: Američki fudbal - NFL

Postby John Schneider » 22 Sep 2017, 12:33

Mi kuci u PO ne gubimo. Mozemo sad ti I ja da se opkladimo da bilo ko da nam dodje od Tampe, Detroita ili File(Dalasa) da ih lagano cistimo. :biggrin:

Rejvensi bez Vilijamsa u Londonu.
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Re: Američki fudbal - NFL

Postby Felipao » 22 Sep 2017, 12:38

Arsla - to za ovu godinu totalno stoji, ne zna se ko je manje supalj.

Licimure cek, prvo od govana se pita ne pravi, Ramsi su pod Fiserom svake godine bili najmladja ekipa pa gde ih je to odvelo. Taj vas GM se nije pokazao preterano dobro u draftovanju napada, kojeg krstenog igraca ste vi draftovali. Gledajuci samo ovaj draft, I SF I Ramsi su bolje draftovali. Cak sta vise, msm da I SF ima potencijala ali su sa talentom trenutno jedno 2 godine iza Ramsa. Arizona mora da resava mnogo problema, oni su svoj vrhunac presisali I sledi im jedan rebilding u skorije vreme. Sto se tice Sijetla, Vilson je vise povredjen nego zdrav, OL je skandal, plus ovom trenerskom kadru deluje kao nemoguca misija da oforme normalan unit. TE je omasen, Grejem je sjajan igras na pogresnom mestu, za njega, RB takodje nema (al aj, to moze da se resi vrlo brzo) I risivere takodje ne cenim mnogo. Svaka cast na vrhunskoj odbrani, dok su Kanselor I ovaj sejfti, Kako bese, zdravi, taj unit ce vas vuci sve dok ova divizija ne postane zajebana rastom SF I LA
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Re: Američki fudbal - NFL

Postby John Schneider » 22 Sep 2017, 12:47

Cuj Vilson non stop povredjen a nije propustio ni jednu jedinu utakmicu za 5,6 godina. Samo je proslu sezonu kuburio sa povredom jer ga je u prvom kolu sjebao Suh.

Draftovao je uglavnom defanzivu zato I nije imao mnogo uspeha sa napadacima. Medju napadacima su Wilson, Ricardson, Loket...

Kerol je defanzivno orijentisan trener I tako I prave tim...

Sijetl ozbiljne problem ima zbog promena kriterijuma tj pravila sudjenja...Bas sam nedvno citao lika koji je pisao o igri OL SIjetla kada su uzeli titulu I kaze da bi bar u 30% napada trcanjem to sada bile kazne za holding...slicno je I u odbrani gde su CB Sijetla uvek igrali tako da vuku protivnika I preko granice I sada im to non stop sviraju...

Inace nije SIjetl jedini tim koji ima problem sa igrom OL...evo jedan tekst o tome...
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Anyone watching the Giants vs Lions game on Monday will realise the white elephant in the room. Offensive line play is rotten with only a few exceptions.

There’s a temptation to navel gaze at times and think the Seahawks are the only ones with O-line issues. They emphatically aren’t. Take away a handful of teams like Dallas, Oakland and Tennessee and you notice the problem is widespread.

Unlike the Seahawks, the Giants are not trying to turn a basketball player into a left tackle and they aren’t starting their backup either. They have a top-10 tackle watching the blindside (Ereck Flowers), another first round pick at left guard (Justin Pugh) and a high second round pick at center (Weston Richburg).

New York’s O-line performance against Detroit was pitiful.

Flowers has received the bulk of the criticism. He struggled mightily to block Ziggy Ansah who collected three sacks.

In fairness to Flowers, he was a perfectly acceptable early draft pick in 2015. He’s big and long and played with a real edge at Miami. He was nasty on the field and looked the part of a pro-lineman.

Like so many players, however, he’s struggled to make the step up.

Stanford left tackle Andrus Peat was also drafted in the first round in 2015. He’s flipped between tackle and guard in New Orleans but so far has had a pretty underwhelming start to his career. Cameron Erving was taken in the first round to play center in Cleveland having started at left tackle for Florida State. He was recently traded to the Chiefs for a bag of chips.

Cedric Ogbuehi hasn’t solved any of Cincinnati’s problems on the O-line after being selected with the 21st pick in 2015. Laken Tomlinson, the #28 pick, flopped in Detroit and was traded to the 49ers in pre-season. D.J. Humphries hasn’t had a big impact for the Cardinals, highlighted by this assessment from ‘Revenge of the Birds’:


Humphries was so slow to pick up the Cardinals’ offense and to display a professional approach to his work, that not only did Earl Watford start at RT instead, Humphries was publicly branded “Knee Deep” by his head coach, a sobriquet given to him by his OC Harold Goodwin.

That quote comes from an article published today titled: ‘When will the offensive line begin to produce for the Arizona Cardinals?‘

When people question why the Seahawks and Tom Cable have been unable to develop offensive linemen without high draft picks, it appears to be a broader problem within the league.

Without wishing to go over old ground again, we’ve been talking for years on this blog about the way the best athletes in High School are actively choosing to play defense instead of offense. You get stats (sacks, TFL’s), you get the glory and most importantly — you get paid in the NFL.

Here are the top-five earners at defensive tackle in the NFL:


Ndamukong Suh — $19m (average)
Fletcher Cox — $17.1m
Kawann Short — $16.1m
Marcell Dareus — $16m
Gerald McCoy — $15.8m

Here are the defensive ends:


Muhammad Wilkerson — $17.2m
Olivier Vernon — $17m
J.J. Watt — $16.6m
Jason Pierre-Paul — $15.5m
Calais Campbell — $15m

And here are the outside linebackers:


Von Miller — $19m
Justin Houston — $16.8m
Chandler Jones — $16.5m
Robert Quinn — $14.2m
Clay Matthews Jr — $13.2m

Now let’s look at the top paid offensive linemen:


Trent Williams — $13.6m
Russell Okung — $13.2m
Terron Armstead — $13m
Tyron Smith — $12.2m
Kevin Zeitler, Eric Fisher, Cordy Glenn, David Bakhtiari — $12m

Look at the difference. Kawann Short earns $2.5m a year more than Trent Williams and pushing $5m a year more than Joe Thomas.

Brock Huard made the point on 710 ESPN this week. If Walter Jones was in college today with his unique physical profile, he’d probably be playing three technique and not left tackle. That’s where the money, fame and profile is these days.

The big schools chasing the four and five star prospects are quite willing to accommodate these desires in order to collect the best young players. Who cares if you have a lot of defensive linemen? It works for Alabama.

After all, you can run a spread offense to make life easier for the offensive linemen and work around the problem.

What this is doing is creating a void of athletic talent playing offensive line in college. It’s also insufficiently preparing those who do play O-line for the next level. The schemes they play in college, with only a few exceptions, are nothing like the schemes in the NFL.

So it’s not a big surprise that teams like Seattle seek out athletes like George Fant to train and develop. Whatever you think of that plan and the way Seattle has operated — it makes a degree of sense. Especially when they’re not in position to draft in the top ten and add one of the handful of top O-liners turning pro.

There’s very little sign of anything changing soon. In the last free agency period, O-liners did receive bigger contracts. Teams threw money at players like Riley Reiff, Ricky Wagner and Matt Kalil. All three players still received considerably lower salaries than Calais Campbell.

Arguably the best defensive lineman in the NFL, Aaron Donald, could sign a contract worth over $20m a year in Los Angeles. It’s unlikely Tyron Smith or Trent Williams will ever get anywhere near that.

We’ll also continue to see any remotely talented college offensive linemen hurried into the league. This week Tony Pauline reported Washington’s Trey Adams is a ‘first round lock’. Adams is a good player with a pro-future. He’s also had a slightly underwhelming start to the 2017 season. Such is the need for O-liners though, it won’t be a surprise if he goes very early in the draft — even if his play is relatively modest for the rest of the year. Who knows whether he’ll be ready or not? He’s only a junior and would be expected to start immediately if he goes in round one.

College football is currently the NFL’s only farm system and it is failing the league in such a dramatic way. Bad O-line play is blighting the league, not just in Seattle. It is possible that the teams with the good O-lines will earn a significant advantage over the next few years as long as they have a competent quarterback and supporting cast (as Dallas, Oakland and Tennessee all do). A large portion of the league appears to be either struggling on offense or finding ways to compensate and game plan around the issue.

The most obvious solution is to create a strong summer league or development system. Allow teams to spend a couple of years developing offensive linemen in a pro-system playing meaningful snaps in proper games. The results will be emphatic. Suddenly a player like George Fant can go away and spend a couple of years really learning how to be a left tackle. Even the early picks, such as Ereck Flowers, might be able to spend a full season learning their trade without the pressure and glare of expectation and instant gratification.

It’s not the only position group that will benefit. The likes of Kurt Warner developed in the old NFL Europe. Being able to train quarterbacks, pass rushers, cornerbacks — the league is only going to benefit from this.

With more and more of the best athletes playing D-line in college and the huge discrepancy that is growing between the two units in the trenches, this feels like an absolute necessity. Bad football is not what anyone wants to see but bad football is what we’re getting in many cases.

Giving each team a way to develop young players and train them over time just makes too much sense not to happen. And as Aaron Earlywine notes, ‘last year, 16,175 college football players were eligible for the NFL draft. Only 256 of them were drafted.‘ Doesn’t the league owe it to these young players to give them more than one or two shots to realise their dream of making it?


Inace posto mnogi kenjaju kako Sijetl ne zna da draftuje dobrog OL igraca evo spisak pro bowl ofanzivnih linijasa koji su draftovani posle prve runde u Snajderovoj eri...znaci igraci koje je Sijetl mogao da pokupi a nije...
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2012: 1 (Kelechi Osemele)
2013: 1 (David Bakhtiari)
2014: 1 (Trai Turner)
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Re: Američki fudbal - NFL

Postby Felipao » 22 Sep 2017, 12:54

Pa I po tadasnjim kriterijumima to su bile kazne u odbrani samo sto su Sihoksi igrali po principu napravicu vise kazni nego sto mogu da mi sude. Pa nije nista to sporno sto je on defanzivno orijentisan, ali neki balans mora da postoji da bi nesto napravio iako se slazem da Ce vise uspeha da ima izvaredna odbrana nego izvaredan napad. Za Vilsona sam I mislio na zadnje sezone I one koje slede, nisam se dobro izrazio. Sijetl nije jedini tim koji ima problem sa OL ali koji tim koji nije uspeo da uspostavi igru trcanjem je daleko otisao u PO. A vi niti ste u stanju da trcite, niti da stitite svog QB koji jeste izuzetan igrac. Vreme ce pokazati ko je bio u pravu, ali msm da ce vrlo brzo Sijetl biti ozbiljno poljuljan u ovoj divizij
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