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Re: Serije

Postby Гроф Тинторето » 22 May 2019, 22:37

Normalno da je svesna bila. Zbog cega bi inace na pitanje da li je trudna odgovorila sa ne.
Znala je da je nece pustiti da bude pored njega.
Ovo govorim na osnovu desavanja iz serije, nisam citao knjigu.

Pozitivno je sto je vrhuska odobravala sva sredstva za saniranje stete kada su shvatili da je vrag odneo salu. (opet, ukoliko je tacno ovo iz serije)
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Re: Serije

Postby Withnail » 22 May 2019, 22:45

pa kad je trudna ne daju ni kad je prehlada obicna, mislio sam da nije bila svesna da moze sama da se ozraci i ima velike posledice, pa prodje ispod one plastike, ili pre sta je vec radila, ako ga je ona presvlacila i sl sto rece
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Re: Serije

Postby Гроф Тинторето » 22 May 2019, 22:49

Pa dve stvari su mogle da budu, opekotine ili radijacija.
Da su opekotine u pitanju bile, ne bi je niko pitao da li je trudna jer opekotine se ne prenose.

Kako god, ko zna koliko je takvih slucajeva bilo, ali ta tvrdoglavost me je uvek nervirala jbg.
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Re: Serije

Postby Pit Bull » 22 May 2019, 22:51

Jedna ispravka, nije ona pisala knjigu, nego je bila jedan od glavnih likova u knjizi tj. pomagala je ovoj sto je pisala knjigu da napise identicno kako je bilo.

Evo jednog od delova:

Lyudmilla Ignatenko, wife of deceased fireman Vasily Ignatenko

I'm sitting on my little chair next to him at night. At eight I say: "Vasenka, I'm going for a little walk." He opens his eyes and closes them, lets me go. I just walk to the dorm, go up to my room, lie down on the floor, I couldn't lie on the bed, everything hurt too much, when already the cleaning lady is knocking. "Go! Run to him! He's calling for you like mad!" That morning Tanya Kibenok pleaded with me: "Come to the cemetery, I can't go there alone." They were burying Vitya Kibenok and Volodya Pravik. They were friends of my Vasya. Our families were friends. There's a photo of us all in the building the day before the explosion. Our husbands are so handsome! And happy! It was the last day of that life. We were all so happy!

I came back from the cemetery and called the nurse's post right away. "How is he?" "He died fifteen minutes ago." What? I was there all night. I was gone for three hours! I came up to the window and started shouting: "Why? Why?" I looked up at the sky and yelled. The whole building could hear me. They were afraid to come up to me. Then I came to: I'll see him one more time! Once more! I run down the stairs. He was still in his bio-chamber, they hadn't taken him away yet. His last words were "Lyusya! Lyusenka!" "She's just stepped away for a bit, she'll be right back," the nurse told him. He sighed and went quiet. I didn't leave him anymore after that. I escorted him all the way to the grave site. Although the thing I remember isn't the grave, it's the plastic bag. That bag.

At the morgue they said, "Want to see what we'll dress him in?" I do! They dressed him up in formal wear, with his service cap. They couldn't get shoes on him because his feet had swelled up. They had to cut up the formal wear, too, because they couldn't get it on him, there wasn't a whole body to put it on. It was all -- wounds. The last two days in the hospital -- I'd lift his arm, and meanwhile the bone is shaking, just sort of dangling, the body has gone away from it. Pieces of his lungs, of his liver, were coming out of his mouth. He was choking on his internal organs. I'd wrap my hand in a bandage and put it in his mouth, take out all that stuff. It's impossible to talk about. It's impossible to write about. And even to live through. It was all mine.

My love. They couldn't get a single pair of shoes to fit him. They buried him barefoot.

Right before my eyes -- in his formal wear -- they put him in that cellophane bag of theirs and tied it up. And then they put this bag in the wooden coffin. And they tied the coffin with another bag. The plastic is transparent, but thick, like a tablecloth. And then they put all that into a zinc coffin. They squeezed it in. Only the cap didn't fit.

Everyone came -- his parents, my parents. They bought black handkerchiefs in Moscow. The Extraordinary Commission met with us. They told everyone the same thing: it's impossible for us to give you the bodies of your husbands, your sons, they are very radioactive and will be buried in a Moscow cemetery in a special way. In sealed zinc caskets, under cement tiles. And you need to sign this document here.

If anyone got indignant and wanted to take the coffin back home, they were told that the dead were now heroes, you see, and that they no longer belonged to their families. They were heroes of the State. They belonged to the State.

We sat in the hearse. The relatives and some military people. A colonel and his regiment. They tell the regiment: "Await your orders!" We drive around Moscow for two or three hours, around the beltway. We're going back to Moscow again. They tell the regiment: "We're not allowing anyone into the cemetery. The cemetery's being attacked by foreign correspondents. Wait some more." The parents don't say anything. Mom has a black handkerchief. I sense I'm about to black out. "Why are they hiding my husband? He's -- what? A murderer? A criminal? Who are we burying?" My mom: "Quiet. Quiet, daughter." She's petting me on the head. The colonel calls in: "Let's enter the cemetery. The wife is getting hysterical." At the cemetery we were surrounded by soldiers. We had a convoy. And they were carrying the coffin. No one was allowed in. It was just us. They covered him with earth in a minute. "Faster! Faster!" the officer was yelling. They didn't even let me hug the coffin. And -- onto the bus. Everything on the sly.

Right away they bought us plane tickets back home. For the next day. The whole time there was someone with us. He wouldn't even let us out of the dorm to buy some food for the trip. God forbid we might talk with someone -- especially me. As if I could talk by then. I couldn't even cry. When we were leaving, the woman on duty counted all the towels and all the sheets. She folded them right away and placed them in a polyethylene bag. They probably burnt them. We paid for the dormitory ourselves. For fourteen nights. It was a hospital for radiation poisoning. Fourteen nights. That's how long it takes a person to die.
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Re: Serije

Postby Pit Bull » 22 May 2019, 23:02

Evo i tog dela oko diranja...

"They tried to beat down the flames," Lyudmilla said of Vasily and the other firefighters on the scene. "They kicked at the burning graphite with their feet ... They weren't wearing their canvas gear. They went off just as they were, in their shirt sleeves. No one told them [about the risk of radiation]." She was told by a doctor that Vasily's central nervous system and skull were completely compromised, and that she could not to cry while visiting him in the hospital he was being treated at. "'If you start crying, I'll kick you out right away. No hugging or kissing. Don't even get near him. You have half an hour,'" she recalled the doctor saying.
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Re: Serije

Postby Гроф Тинторето » 22 May 2019, 23:04

Ljudska glupost je bezgranicna.
Pretpostavka je najlaksi nacin da se dodje do pogresnog zakljucka.

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Re: Serije

Postby Pit Bull » 22 May 2019, 23:19

Evo ga kompet prica, potrudio sam se :D

Pogledaj boldovano, bukvalno preslikano sve iz serije, docarali su perfektno u detalje.

Osim ovog dela za transplataciju, jbt. to nije prikazano... Strasna prica.


Procitajte ovo, jbt. prica je jos strasnija od serije ako je to uopste moguce. :crybaby:

In the Moscow hospital, Lyuda was detained by the head physician herself, Professor Guskova. She was very surprised that the wife of a fireman from Pripyat was able to get there so quickly. But she categorically refused to let her into the ward. “Why can’t I see my husband?” Luda wondered. “Have you been married for a long time, do you have children?” – Guskova answered with a question. And at that moment it seemed to Luda that it must necessarily say: “Yes, there is.” She still does not understand why she did it. “There are two,” only said a young woman. Then the doctor shook her head and sighed. This lie allowed Lyudmila to be with her husband around the clock, until the very end. Tanya Kibenok will arrive a bit later, and she will be given only an hour a day to see her husband. But this will not save her unborn child: immediately after the funeral of Kibenko, she will lose an unborn baby.

During their conversation a woman approached the head physician – Vasily, the attending physician. “Explain to the wife of the firefighter Ignatenko what happened to him,” she turned to her colleague Guskov. She sighed: “His blood is completely affected, the central nervous system …” “So what’s terrible here,” Luda was surprised, “will be nervous, it’s nothing …” The women in white coats looked at each other. They understood that this terrible word combination absolutely nothing speaks to this very young naive girl and she does not know anything about radiation sickness. And they did not explain to her that her Basil had radiation sickness of the 1st degree, incompatible with life.

When Luda went to the ward to the guys, they played cards. As if nothing had happened. Laughing merrily.

The doctors scared me so much that I didn’t expect to see our guys as they were before – cheerful, cheerful. Seeing me, Vasya joked: “Oh, boys, she found me here too! Well, my wife! ”He was always such a joker. Guskova warned me that you can not touch her husband, no kissing. But who listened to her!


The guys asked Luda about how things are at home. She told them that the evacuation had begun. And Victor Kibenok then said: “This is the end. We will no longer see our city. ” Luda, who did not yet understand the scale of the accident, began to argue with him: “Yes, it’s only for three days – they will wash, clean, and we will return. “

Every day it got worse. Two days later, everyone (at first there were 28 people, then they brought several more) were transferred to separate chambers, explaining that this was necessary for hygiene purposes. At the same time, the mother of Vladimir Pravik arrived, a bit later, Tatiana Kibenok, relatives of other firefighters.

For a while I lived with the hope that Vasya would be fine. But a bone marrow transplant was scheduled for May 2. They called all relatives – a mother, two sisters, a brother, in order to determine who, by medical parameters, is more suitable as a donor.
Analyzes have shown that the best donor is the 12-year-old sister Vali Natasha. But Ignatenko flatly refused: “Do not persuade, I will not allow the child to ruin his life!” The doctors explained to Vasily that in an ecologically clean environment the bone marrow is quickly restored. Finally, the elder sister Lyuda, who was an emergency doctor, managed to get Vasina’s consent for her bone marrow transplantation. The operation was done by an outstanding American bone marrow transplant specialist Gail. As a result, Vasily did not take bone marrow, and his sister did not recover. Today, Vasili’s sister is disabled, her metabolism is completely disturbed, she is given a blood transfusion every week. Almost immediately, my sister returned to work in the zone, in her native Bragin. He does not want to leave, he says: “I will die in my homeland.”

“I saw how Vasya was changing: his hair fell out, his lungs were swollen, his chest rose higher and higher every day, his kidneys refused, his internal organs began to decompose. More and more new burns appeared, the skin on the arms and legs cracked. Then he was transferred to the pressure chamber – and me along with him. I did not move away from him for a minute: after all, the nurses no longer approached Vasya. He suffered so much, any movement hurt him. He needed to re-lay the sheet, because every fold became a cause of torment. When I turned Vasya over, his skin remained in my arms. He screamed in pain. It was impossible to put clothes on him: it was all swollen, the skin turned blue, the wounds cracked, blood was oozing. In recent days it was very difficult: he had vomiting, pieces of lungs, liver came out … Now I understand the nurses: they knew that nothing could be done to help him. Besides, I did not realize the danger that emanated from him, still continuing to hope. I did not know how I would live without Vasya, what would happen to me …

May 9 Luda could not stand it. She jumped out into the corridor so that Vasya would not see her tears. She covered her mouth with her hands so as not to scream at the top of her voice. Gale came up to her, embraced her fatherly, began to console her. “You should have helped him!” “I can’t, too much radiation, too much …” And suddenly he guessed, inexplicably he realized that she was expecting a child. Then a scandal arose in the hospital. Guskova screamed and cried alternately: “What have you done? How could you not think of a child? You sat near the reactor, in your Vasya 1600 x-ray! You killed both yourself and the child! ”“ But he is protected, he is inside of me! My baby will be fine, ”Luda cried. When she was checked for radioactivity, she already had 68 x-rays.

In those days Luda and Vasya talked a lot, remembered, dreamed.

“If a girl is born, we’ll call her Natasha,” Vasya told me. – A boy … boy name Vasya. “Then I didn’t even think what he wanted to say, and began to joke, they say, why would I need two Vasya and how would I distinguish them. And suddenly his face suddenly changed: it was so cheerful, and then it seemed as if all the dash had gone down, it became sad. I have never seen such a change in an instant. I think he knew that he was doomed, and he wanted to leave behind him a memory – the name of his son.

There were still many shrill, touching, scary moments. Before the morning round, Luda left the ward, hiding from the doctors. Some nurse brought an orange to Vasily – a big, beautiful one. “Take, eat, I left you, you love,” he nodded to his wife in the direction of the nightstand where the orange lay. Under the influence of drugs, he took a nap, and Lyudmila went to the store. When she returned, the orange was gone. “Who took it, go find it, I left it to you,” Vasya startled. And the nurse standing in the door just shook her head. She deliberately picked it up so that Luda, God forbid, did not eat it – a small orange ball, having lain next to Ignatenko for a couple of hours, was already full of deadly radiation.

We remembered the wedding, our home. He tried to joke, he told funny stories – just to make me smile. We supported each other. It was true love, because I never experienced such a feeling. We understood each other from half a word, from half a glance. He was not eloquent, just in his eyes was all he wanted to tell me.
Sometimes my husband would get angry: “How will I live, no hair …” “This is nothing, Vasya, but what kind of savings, no shampoo is needed, I wiped it with a handkerchief and that’s it,” Luda joked. “Yes, and no bulbs are needed in the house,” Vasya immediately picked up with a laugh. I wonder how I had the strength to hold back in those moments. Now I don’t have them anymore, because these memories are always with me.

Vasily Ignatenko lived until May 13. Just that day, there was the funeral of Viktor Kibenko, and Lyuda and his wife went to the cemetery to support Tanya. She already knew that Vasya would soon leave, and called all her relatives to Moscow. In the funeral bus, all the women sat in black headscarves, and Luda refused to put it on.

He died at 11. 15. Just at that time I suddenly felt so pained: a sudden pain pierced my heart. I grabbed a black handkerchief and put it on. Tanya leaned toward me and began to calm me down. Later, the nurses told me that Vasya called me. They did not know how to calm him down. “Lucy, Luce …”, – with these words he died.
Ignatenko, like everyone else, was buried in two coffins – wooden and zinc. At Mitinsky cemetery, 28 people were buried, buried nearby, the grave to the grave. A few years later, the gravestones were removed and poured with concrete, because the radioactive background was too great. They set up a symbolic monument: a man shields a city from a nuclear explosion. On the graves are stone bas-reliefs with carved faces.

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Re: Serije

Postby Гроф Тинторето » 22 May 2019, 23:41

Citao sam taj tekst sinoc nakon epizode i zapamtio sam ovo sa transplantacijom kostane srzi i kako su unistili jos jedan zivot.

Tada se poklopilo sve da dodje do takve katastrofe. Nestrucnost, diktatura, zataskavanje, bukvalno sve najgore u ljudskoj prirodi je doslo do izrazaja. I prava je sreca sto nisu zbrisali ceo svet.
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Re: Serije

Postby Pit Bull » 22 May 2019, 23:42

Ali ti tacno vidis u tekstu da ona ipak nije bila svesna opasnosti tj. nisu joj objasnili koliko je ozracen, ona je sve vreme mislila da ce on preziveti.
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Re: Serije

Postby Гроф Тинторето » 22 May 2019, 23:55

Opet, ukoliko nije bila svesna, zbog cega je lagala da nije trudna?
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Re: Serije

Postby Pit Bull » 23 May 2019, 00:01

Pa verovatno se plasila da je nece pustiti da ga vidi.
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Re: Serije

Postby Гроф Тинторето » 23 May 2019, 00:18

Normalno, sto govori da je svesno sebe i dete izlozila riziku.
Plus joj je receno bez dodirivanja.

Trovanje gasom i opekotine se ne prenose, pa jedino ako nikako nije mogla da poveze picvajz u nuklearnoj elektrani, takav njegov izgled, hitno prebacivanje u Moskvu, dobijanje dozvole od vojske da ga vidi i uopste nadje u kojoj je bolnici i upozorenjem osoblja da je nesto ozbiljno u pitanju, a ne trovanje gasom.
Onda je samo guska kao sto sam i napisao.
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Re: Serije

Postby Pit Bull » 23 May 2019, 00:23

Besides, I did not realize the danger that emanated from him, still continuing to hope. I did not know how I would live without Vasya, what would happen to me


Pa cim ovo kaze 4 dana pre nego sto ce on umreti, sve ti je jasno.


And suddenly he guessed, inexplicably he realized that she was expecting a child. Then a scandal arose in the hospital. Guskova screamed and cried alternately: “What have you done? How could you not think of a child? You sat near the reactor, in your Vasya 1600 x-ray! You killed both yourself and the child! ”“ But he is protected, he is inside of me! My baby will be fine, ”Luda cried. When she was checked for radioactivity, she already had 68 x-rays.


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Re: Serije

Postby Гроф Тинторето » 23 May 2019, 00:28

Ona misli da ce beba biti dobro jer je unutar nje, a da ce samo ona da umre.


Гроф Тинторето wrote:Ljudska glupost je bezgranicna.
Pretpostavka je najlaksi nacin da se dodje do pogresnog zakljucka.

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Re: Serije

Postby Withnail » 23 May 2019, 00:54

pa imas recenicu gde ne zna sta je centralni nervni sistem, kaze bice nervozan, jaka stvar
dakle priglupa, naivna...def nije mislila da njoj moze biti nesto

kao ni stanovnici Pripjata sto nisu bili svesni...kad se desio incident, je l su izasli (sa sve malom decom) na vidikovac da posmatraju...po njima pada onaj pepeo oni odusevljeni kao sneg da je
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