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Postby Napredpartizan » 13 Oct 2011, 00:05

VMJunior wrote:Jel si citao nesto o tome kakve su procene strucnjaka i analiticara?

Vecina se slaze da ce ili biti sezona sa oko 50 utakimca ili je nece biti uopste... Najrealnije je da krene u decembru...
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Re: NBA vesti, transferi, aktuelnosti

Postby VMJunior » 13 Oct 2011, 00:17

Hvala obojici. ;)

Ja ne znam za vas,ali ja strepim pred svaki sastanak.Sto ih bude manje to bolje :gitara:
Za pocetak cu biti prezadovoljan,ali prezadovoljan ako Pekmen ostane do sredin novembra i odigra prvih 5 utakmica u EL.

Bez obzira sto su otkazane prve dve nedelje,oni mogu da se dogovore(ne daj Boze,vec u ponedeljak ili 15.,20,25.oktobra) i svi se vracaju nazad.
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Re: NBA vesti, transferi, aktuelnosti

Postby VMJunior » 13 Oct 2011, 11:54

NBA: Savezni medijator za kraj lok auta?


Uprava NBA lige i sindikat košarkaša (NBPA) pristali su da se u njihov spor umeša savezni medijator i pokuša da reši problem lok auta.


Upravnik Savezne službe za medijaciju i pomirenje (FMCS), Džordž Koen, objavio je u noći između srede i četvrtka da će nadgledati pregovore između uprave lige i sindikata igrača, koji će početi sledećeg utorka u Njujorku.

Koen je rekao da je već "nekoliko meseci" u kontaktu sa predstavnicima obeju strana.

"Učestvovao sam u odvojenim, nezvaničnim i neslužbenim razgovorima sa predstavnicima NBA i NBPA u vezi sa statusom njihovih pregovora oko kolektivnog ugovora", rekao je Koen.

"Očigledno je da će ovaj spor imati veliki uticaj ne samo na direktno umešane strane, već i, što nas više brine, na državnu ekonomiju, odnosno na radnike koji pružaju usluge vezane za utakmice. Šire, spor utiče i na ekonomiju gradova u kojima treba da se igraju mečevi", dodao je Koen.

Ovaj državni službenik bio je u februaru i martu prisutan 16 dana u pregovorima između vlasnika klubova u profesionalnoj ligi američkog fudbala (NFL) i igrača, ali nije uspeo da im pomogne.

Medijacija se prekinula 11. marta, sindikat je raspušten, igrači su tužili vlasnike saveznom sudu, a liga je zabranila igranje. Pregovori su kasnije nastavljeni uz novog medijatora, koga je postavio sud. Tada je postignut novi kolektivni ugovor i potpisan je u avgustu.

Pregovori u NBA prekinuti su u nedelju, a liga je otkazala prve dve nedelje takmičenja, koje je trebalo da počne 1. novembra. Pripreme su ranije otkazane.

FMCS je nezavisna vladina agencija, a Koena je 2009. godine postavio za upravnika predsednik SAD Barak Obama.

Koen je 2010. godine pomogao da se postigne dogovor u fudbalskoj Mejdžor ligi (MLS) neposredno pred početak sezone, na čemu su mu čestitali i komesar i igrači.

Kao advokat za rad, Koen je imao ključnu ulogu u okončanju najčuvenijeg prestanka sportskog rada u SAD, štrajk u bejzbolu zbog koga se nije igralo finale 1994. godine.

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Covece mani se kosarke, imas ti i vecih problema :facepalm:
I Obama želi rešenje u NBA ligi

Predsednik SAD Barak Obama, govoreći na mitingu u Orlandu, rekao je da prati situaciju u NBA lig i dodao da je rešenje za izlazak iz krize neophodno.

Došao sam ovde (u Orlando - prim. aut) da pomogne u rešavanju problema sa lok-autom,
više kroz šalu je rekao Obama i potom dodao ozbiljnije:

Treba nam košarka, ljudi u SAD vole NBA i ova igra nam je neophodna. Moramo što pre naći način da izađemo iz ove košarkaške krize,

smatra predsednik SAD.

Dogovor između vlasnika klubova i sindikata igrača oko podele profita još nije postignut i pored čestih sastanaka, a početak NBA lige je zvanično odložen sa 1. na 15. novembar. Ipak, male su šanse da i tada počne najjača liga na svetu.

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NBA players need to exlplain their position
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Sometimes, even if your argument appears valid, and sensible, and right, it can still be devoid of common sense, strictly because of what it is up against. The moment the National Basketball Association canceled the first two weeks of the 2011-12 season on Monday night, officially putting pro basketball for the year on a respirator, all arguments by the players over how wrong the owners are became irrelevant.

Quite frankly, the jig is up!


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Most fans don't want to hear about a reduction in basketball-related income from 57 percent to 53 percent. They just want to see their favorite players play.
The players can scream all they want about how they are being locked out and are not on strike. They can lament over how unfair it is that since they're the product fans come to see, they shouldn't have to give up anything. But when commissioner David Stern announced that the first two weeks were being canceled, ensuring that approximately $200 million would be lost, it should have reminded players of something they should have realized quite a long time ago: Whatever leverage they thought they had is on the verge of extinction.

Let the players try to hashtag their way through these negotiations, tweeting to their hearts' content. Let LeBron James apologize to the world, saying "There's no us without ya'll," and let Steve Nash keep asking, "Why are the owners unwilling to negotiate in good faith?" Such rhetoric rings hollow right now to a fan base aware that there will be no NBA games starting Nov. 1.

No Chicago Bulls vs. the defending champion Dallas Mavericks on opening night.

No Miami Heat visiting Madison Square Garden and the New York Knicks on Nov. 2.

No sightings of Kobe Bryant, just 729 points shy of passing Shaquille O'Neal for fifth on the all-time scoring list.

Absolutely nothing!

Fans don't hear a reduction in basketball-related income from 57 percent to 53 percent as much as they hear that players made $2 billion in salaries. They're not interested in the suffering of those averaging $5 million a year in salary when a ravaged economy has many Americans worrying about whether they'll have a job next month.

Most fans have no patience for player complaints when the National Football League managed to resolve its issues without missing games, and when NFL and major league baseball games are taking place.

"We tried awfully hard to move towards the players and ultimately come up with a system that works for everyone," Stern said last night, following the latest failed meeting with the players' association. "We made, in our view, concession after concession.

"I'm not sure if the players would agree with everything we've done. But we think we've tried very hard to move towards the players and ultimately come up with a system that ... over the seven years of the deal we offered before, the players have the right to opt out of a 10-year deal ... a raise [in average-player salary] from $5.5 million to probably over $7 million. In this economy, at this time with what's going on in this country and in the world … I'm proud of my owners. They really demonstrated to me, to the fans ... that they really tried to make a deal."

So now that Stern has won that public relations battle, as he usually does, getting his message out first, it's up to the players to provide more pointed arguments. The kind devoid of emotion, and not limited to 140-character tweets.

It's up to the players to fully explain why a deal could not be made.

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Somehow, it is the players who'll need to explain why, after entering the negotiations determined to fight off the owners' insistence on omitting guaranteed contracts and implementing a hard salary cap and being successful on both fronts, games are still being canceled.

It is the players who'll need to justify why the potential for $1.5 million in average-salary pay hikes -- with a guarantee of no pay cuts -- for at least the next seven years was not a deal good enough to accept.

The players will also need to explain why it's a problem for owners to want Memphis, Sacramento, Milwaukee, Charlotte and other small-market cities to have a fairer shot at competing economically with New York and Los Angeles if it wouldn't affect the bottom-line dollars the players are actually receiving.

Without question, the players have a bevy of legitimate gripes. Especially pertaining to the dollar-for-dollar luxury tax that owners now want to turn into a $2 to $4 tax for every dollar they overspend, essentially dissuading owners from spending.

But there was plenty of time to resolve these issues, as the players have proved from the moment they managed to find all this time to span the country playing charity basketball games; far more time than most of them spent at the negotiating table over the last three months.

"We'll deal with this with our chin up," said Lakers co-captain and union president Derek Fisher, a five-time NBA champion. "This is a big blow, especially to our fans. We hear them loud and clear, and we're going to do our best to bring back basketball as soon as we possibly can."

Sadly, Fisher sounds as if the fans are the primary ones he needs to be concerned about, as opposed to the players themselves.

The cancellation of games means the loss of income to players. It also means that whatever stance is being taken by the owners will only harden now that games are missed and money has been lost.

The players, emboldened by a desire for "respect" and not "caving in" to the owners -- as many of them have said -- will now be forced to prove that their financial portfolios can stomach hits to the degree that owners' portfolios can.

On that note, there's only one thing left to say: Good Luck With That!

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7088732/nba-players-need-explain-their-negotiating-position-more-pointedly-now
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Re: NBA vesti, transferi, aktuelnosti

Postby 71:70 » 13 Oct 2011, 17:41

Ovo ni malo ne valja.
Mi smo daleko od onoga sto mnogi misle, bez nikole sha lal ala ala pekovica
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Re: NBA vesti, transferi, aktuelnosti

Postby VMJunior » 14 Oct 2011, 00:44

David Stern: Christmas games in doubt


NEW YORK -- Commissioner David Stern said his "gut" tells him there will be no NBA basketball on Christmas without a labor agreement by Tuesday.

That day, when owners and players are scheduled to meet with a federal mediator, is a "really big deal," he added.

Owners will then open two days of board meetings Wednesday, and without an agreement to bring them, Stern believes further cancellations are coming.

"Right now, Tuesday, Tuesday, Tuesday, just before my owners come into town, having brought in the labor relations committee and Billy (Hunter) having brought in his executive committee, it's time to make the deal," Stern said Thursday. "If we don't make it on Tuesday, my gut -- this is not in my official capacity of canceling games -- but my gut is that we won't be playing on Christmas Day."

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Stern canceled the first two weeks of the regular season on Monday when the sides couldn't reach a deal before a deadline he had set.

Christmas is traditionally one of the first big days of the NBA season. This year's three-game schedule features the NBA Finals rematch between the Dallas Mavericks and Miami Heat.

The sides will need to act quickly to save it. The talks have stalled over the structure of the salary cap system and the division of revenues between owners and players.

They will meet Tuesday with George Cohen, the same mediator who tried to resolve the NFL's labor dispute months before it eventually ended.

Asked if Cohen had the ability to move the sides toward a deal, Stern said: "I'm hoping he does because I think that if we don't make a deal by the time my owners meetings come in Wednesday and Thursday, after we've met with the mediator on Monday and then met with each other on Tuesday, then I despair.

"Because we will have lost two weeks for sure on our way to losing more games, offers will get worse, possibly on both sides, and the deal's going to slip away from us, as may the season," he added. "So this is the time to make a deal."

Hunter is meeting with players on Friday in Los Angeles. The union has balked at owners' proposal to replace their hard salary cap plan by making the luxury tax much more punitive. Players believe it would become such a deterrent to spending that it would essentially work as a hard cap.

The sides also have to decide how to divide up about $4 billion in annual revenues. Players were guaranteed 57 percent of basketball-related income in the previous collective bargaining agreement and have proposed lowering it to 53 percent. Owners are seeking the same 53-47 split in their favor.

The parties have discussed a 50-50 split, which the players rejected. In the radio interview, Stern repeated a claim he made Monday that the original discussion of an even split was initiated by the players.

They also are still clashing over the length of the agreement, with players not wanting to go beyond six years and owners seeking a 10-year deal but offering the players an opt-out after six. Player contract lengths, luxury tax payments and the use of spending exceptions are among the other big items remaining.

"We haven't even addressed many of the issues," Stern said.

So there is a lot left -- and now perhaps just a few days to save basketball in this calendar year.

"Deal Tuesday, or we potentially spiral into situations where the worsening offers on both sides make it even harder for the parties to make a deal," Stern said.

David Stern: Christmas games in doubt
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Re: NBA vesti, transferi, aktuelnosti

Postby Milutinov Tata » 14 Oct 2011, 04:54

98/99 su se dogovorili tek posle Nove godine. Tada je Divac igrao za Zvezdu dve utkmice u EL iako je LO bio vec gotov uoci meca sa Zalgirisom. Sabonis je treba da igra za Litvance, ali se nije pojavio na parketu. Da li su klubovi davali instrukcije, ili je Divac na svoju ruku odlucio da ostane nedelju dana duze nema sanse da se setim. Divcu je tada istekao ugovor pa je i to mozda imalo uticaj da se on slobodnije ponasa, dok je Sabonis bio ugovorom vezan za Portland.
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Re: NBA vesti, transferi, aktuelnosti

Postby Sasa_Beli » 14 Oct 2011, 08:20

DIvac je voleo da mazne dobru lovu , dobio je preko 400 000 DM za te 2 utakmice ako se dobro secam.
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Re: NBA vesti, transferi, aktuelnosti

Postby mali_buda » 14 Oct 2011, 08:55

Milutinov Tata wrote:98/99 su se dogovorili tek posle Nove godine. Tada je Divac igrao za Zvezdu dve utkmice u EL iako je LO bio vec gotov uoci meca sa Zalgirisom. Sabonis je treba da igra za Litvance, ali se nije pojavio na parketu. Da li su klubovi davali instrukcije, ili je Divac na svoju ruku odlucio da ostane nedelju dana duze nema sanse da se setim. Divcu je tada istekao ugovor pa je i to mozda imalo uticaj da se on slobodnije ponasa, dok je Sabonis bio ugovorom vezan za Portland.

Ako se prekidom LO automatski aktivira postojeći ugovor sa NBA ekipom, mislim da igrač više nema pravo da nastupa za evropski klub. E, sad mi nije još jasno da li se samim dogovorom oko kraja LO automatizuje postupak aktiviranja ugovora ili se mora odrediti tačan datum.
Klaudinho wrote:DIvac je voleo da mazne dobru lovu , dobio je preko 400 000 DM za te 2 utakmice ako se dobro secam.

Ja se sećam priče o 300.000DM po utakmici, ali to je ono što se pričalo, nisam siguran u to.
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Re: NBA vesti, transferi, aktuelnosti

Postby VMJunior » 14 Oct 2011, 09:25

Rodman to NBA players: 'Bow down'


TORONTO -- Dennis Rodman says the owners are at fault in the NBA lockout, but the players should ease their demands to help end the dispute that has already cost the league the first two weeks of the season.

"I think the players should bow down," he said Thursday.

Rodman was a guest at the post-position draw at Woodbine Racetrack for Sunday's Pattison Canadian International, the most lucrative horse race in Canada.

"It's not the players' fault, it's the owners' fault and I think (the players) should give a little bit," the Hall of Famer said. "And that way, things will move on."

Rodman, a seven-time rebounding champion, was in the league in 1999 when the season was cut to 50 games because of a lockout. He questions the resolve of the players.

"Most players don't give a damn about the game," he said. "They want the money and all of a sudden they want unity. I'm not taking the owners' side. I think the players should look at themselves."

Negotiations have stalled over the structure of the salary cap system and the division of revenues between owners and players.

Calling it a "very touchy situation," Rodman said times have changed since the last labor disruption.

"Now you've got maybe 10 teams that are making money," he said.


http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7098168/bow-down

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10. Džo Džonson. Zarađuje 1 milion i 387 hiljada dolara mesečno.

9. Amare Stodumajer. Centar Njujorka prima mesečno 1 milion i 401 hiljadu dolara.

8. Karmelo Entoni. Mesečna plata "Mela" iznosi 1 milion i 423 hiljade.

7. Pau Gasol. Centar Lejkersa zarađuje mesečno 1 milion i 439 hiljada dolara.

6. Dirk Novicki. Nemac ima na računu 1 milion 468 hiljada dolara mesečno.

5. Džilbert Arinas. Košarkaš Orlanda zarađuje 1 milion 482 hiljade dolara za mesec dana.

4. Kevin Garnet. Centar Bostona prima 1 milion i 630 hiljada mesečno.

3. Tim Dankan. Zarađuje nešto više od Garneta. 1 milion i 638 hiljada dolara mesečno.

2. Rašard Luis. Možda iznenađenje, ali ovaj košarkaš prima 1 milion i 704 hiljade za mesec dana.

1. Kobi Brajant. Očekivano, košarkaš Lejkersa zarađuje skoro dva miliona mesečno. Tačnije 1 milion i 941 hiljadu dolara.
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Re: NBA vesti, transferi, aktuelnosti

Postby kocic » 14 Oct 2011, 12:35

divac je kao pravi gan oprostio sve pare zvezdi :blue:
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Re: NBA vesti, transferi, aktuelnosti

Postby Alonzo » 14 Oct 2011, 12:39

Mislim da ovi elitni igraci imaju izmedju 56-58% od ukupnih plata svih igraca u ligi.
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Re: NBA vesti, transferi, aktuelnosti

Postby VMJunior » 14 Oct 2011, 14:02

Evo,u kratkim crtama i na srpskom u vezi sastanka u ponedeljak/utorak..
Štern: Ako nema dogovora, blokada do Božića

Mi smo spremni da prihvatimo svaki dogovor, ali ne i da tolerišemo sastančenja u nedogled. Moguće je sezona propadne, kaže komesar NBA lige

„AKO do utorka (18. oktobra) ne bude postignut dogovor Unije igrača i vlasnika klubova sezona neće početi pre Božića, a ako nema napretka u pregovorima vrlo je lako da se izgubi cela godina“, rekao je jednom njujorškom radiju komesar NBA lige Dejvid Štern!

- Mi u ligi smo spremni da prihvatimo svaki dogovor, ali ne i da tolerišemo sastančenja u nedogled na kojima se ništa ne postiže i nema napretka. Ako se ne dogovore postoji mogućnost da cela sezona propadne – rekao je prvi čovek NBA lige.


Posle odlaganje starta sezone na 15 dana mišljenja o štrajku su različita, ali kod svih postoji želja da pomognu da se problem reši što pre. Na sastanku, koji je zakazan u ponedeljak, prisustvovaće prvi put državni posrednik sa ciljem da pomogne pregovaračkim stranama da dođu do sporazuma... Neki od igrača su tražili stav legende NBA lige i Čikago Bulsa Majkla Džordana, danas vlasnika Šarlot Bobketsa, međutim on je odabrao ćutanje kao najbolje rešenje dok lokaut traje.
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Re: NBA vesti, transferi, aktuelnosti

Postby Houdini » 14 Oct 2011, 17:36

Sternu verujem na rec onoliko koliko verujem Dzozefu smitu da je nasao i preveo zlatne ploce.
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Re: NBA vesti, transferi, aktuelnosti

Postby AirBall » 16 Oct 2011, 23:24

Rusi prenose informaciju sa ESPN-a da je Stern izjavio da sezone u NBA najverovatnije nece biti...

http://www.championat.com/basketball/news-960224.html
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Re: NBA vesti, transferi, aktuelnosti

Postby irriducibili » 17 Oct 2011, 00:19

AirBall wrote:Rusi prenose informaciju sa ESPN-a da je Stern izjavio da sezone u NBA najverovatnije nece biti...

http://www.championat.com/basketball/news-960224.html

To se u pokeraskom zargonu naziva blef...
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