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[Starsica]

Top 10 anti-ageing tips for tennis players

Top 10 anti-ageing tips for tennis:

Don’t be satisfied with what you’ve already achieved. “It’s easy sometimes to throw in the white towel and say, ‘I’m done. I have achieved a lot of things. I don’t have to worry so much financially and I can live a good life’,” said 35-year-old Tommy Haas, the oldest man to reach the singles quarter-finals as a grand slam since Andre Agassi at the 2005 US Open. “But at the same time maybe there was something in me that still said, ‘You know what? I can maybe still do something’.”

Don’t forget to have fun. “In tennis you have to enjoy yourself, especially when you do great things,” said 31-year-old Tommy Robredo, who is in the quarter-finals of the French Open after coming from two sets down in his last three matches.

Look to improve every day. “It’s a test for me going into the practice session,” Roger Federer said this year. “Am I hungry and motivated enough to wake up and then go to the practice courts for hours. There’s never been a problem. For me, that’s good news. I’ve always been eager to improve my game. And then to go to the gym to get stronger.”

Appreciate that your game can improve as you get older. “The older I get,” Serena Williams, the oldest ever women’s world No 1, has said, “the better I serve and the more I like to serve aces.”

Buying a car can help you get over a mid-life crisis. “It was really hard for me to turn 30,” Serena Williams has said. “I was turning 30 and I panicked so I thought I needed to buy a really old car. I really struggled and I was just like, ‘Oh, my gosh’. I bought a Rolls Royce.”

Sleep a lot. “I like to sleep at least eight hours a night and sometimes nine or ten hours,” said Kimiko Date-Krumm, who at this year’s Australian Open – when she was 42 – became the oldest woman to win a singles match a grand slam. “I sleep more during tournaments. When I was in my twenties, seven hours was enough, and after seven hours I would wake up and be ready to go. But I definitely need more sleep now. And I like sleeping.”

Take yourself a little less seriously. “If you start thinking that you’re still the same player that you were 10 years ago, you’re setting yourself up to fail,” said Virginia Wade. “But if you think you’re doing the best you can at that time, then that’s just fine. Some people take themselves way too seriously. You just think, ‘oh please’.”

Don’t eat sweets the night before a match. “The older you get, the more you have to think carefully about what you eat, as your body takes longer to recover,” said Kimiko Date-Krumm. “So before a match, or before a training day, eat a lot of carbohydrates and afterwards you need a lot of protein. It’s okay to sometimes have chocolate, cake and ice cream, but only occasionally and not when you’re getting ready to compete.”

Make sure you learn from your mistakes as you juggle your other responsibilities. “People sometimes forget I have twin girls,” said Roger Federer. “Just to be able to juggle everything together has been a challenge. And I think you learn from your mistakes. You try to make it work for everyone involved.”

Be clever and creative. “Women’s tennis is more powerful these days, with players hitting a more speedy ball,” said Kimiko Date Krumm. “If you’re not as powerful as you were, you have to think about other ways to win. So I mix it up, I use angles, change the pace, drop in a short ball or come to net. There is no point trying to overpower your opponent because it won’t work.”

[Starsica]

Pade mi na pamet nesto.

Da li Nadalova sezona (ova) moze da bude bolja od Novakove 2011.?

[Milutinov Tata]

Sacekaj da se zavrsi da ne razglabamo za dzabe . Kao sto sam napisao, ne uzme li US Open dzaba mu i X Mastersa i povratak na prvo mesto. Ja mislim da je Novakova 2011 bolja od Mekinroove 1984, mnogi misle drugacije. Moj kljucni argument je 10-1 protiv Nadala i Federera, igraca protiv kojih je do tada imao dosta negativan bilans i koji su bili ispred njega. Uz to idu i 3 GS turnira naspram 2, niz od 40 pobeda gde upadaju 1 GS i 4 obavezna Mastersa i 7-0 nad najvecim rivalima. Drugi ce reci da je imao cak 6 poraza, da nista nije uradio posle US Opena, da se sezona igra do novembra... Savako ima svoje argumente.

[Starsica]

Ja pitam zbog situacije gde je Nadal rokn'o odma' na Vimldonu, tj. podbacio na GS - u, sto se Noletu nije desilo, iako je imao losu jesen. Mada, kad se pogledaju okolnosti pod kojima je Nadal igrao/igra ovu sezonu.. Zato kazem

[Milutinov Tata]

Okolnosti nisu bitne, sve se na kraju svodi na suve brojke. I sada kada se analizira Nadalova sezona retko ce ko reci da je on "namerno" propustio AO, nego da nije igrao zbog povrede. Kao sto se za Meka kaze da tada AO nije bio bitan, ali da je uzeo RG sigurno bi isao tamo... Ako Nadal ne osvoji USO sezona mu je prosecna, u rangu 2005

[Gama]

Sve su veci izgledi da ce se betonski turniri ubrzati, naravno ne svi. Evo nisam znala da su vec ove godine ubrzali teren u Sangaju. Sve u svemu Genciceva je na vreme upozorila Novaka da vezba voleje , trebace mu


Tennis Looks to Mix It Up to Ensure an Entertaining Future

The most recent move came at this year’s Masters 1000 in Shanghai in which Djokovic beat Juan Martín del Potro in last month’s final. Shanghai, like Paris, is played on hard courts, and this time there was no backlash, at least not yet.

“We set it up faster than we’ve ever done before,” said Charles Smith, an American who is part of the tournament’s leadership group and is also on the ATP board of directors. “We were medium fast last year and fast this year, and I think it was a negative historically for people if you had a fast court. And this is part of the narrative people are coming to grips with. Even with fast courts, you still get 20-shot rallies and beautiful points. These guys are just such good defenders. Novak is as fast as any guy I’ve seen, side to side, so part of this is trying to keep up with the players and their evolution.”

Smith said the decision to speed up the court was made after consulting with players, fans and reporters, and it was done by play testing and then lowering the silicone, or grit, content in the cushioned acrylic surface.

“It’s amazing to see these guys get back into points the way players didn’t in the past,” Smith said. “So the rallies are getting longer and longer, and so part of the thing in speeding up the court was to reward a player for taking risks.”

Smith said he was surprised to see rallies still extending past 15 strokes on a “very quick court.”

“But I think our semifinal match with Rafa and Juan Martín was one of the best matches of the year,” he said. “Juan Martín was just pounding the ball, and it was fantastic tennis because it is what you want: transition tennis. You want guys to attack and play aggressive tennis. I think that’s what fans want to see.”

Ali misljenja su podeljena i sto se tice gledljivosti ali i uticaja na telo

Gilbert: “I’m not living in the stone age, wanting to see guys go back to serve-and-volley and play one-shot tennis. Boring,”
“We’re seeing guys now playing well into their 30s, and I think it’s because of the slower courts,” he said. “And because guys are playing more rallies and not sprinting forward all the time. I tell every kid who asks me, ‘Don’t do it. You’ll ruin your body.”

“It’s so difficult now with how big the guys hit the ball and the way guys move,” he said. “Every time you serve and volley, you have to sprint forward and then have to make a lunge and some incredible move with an awkward athletic landing. You are eventually going to tear something.”

Justin Gimelstob: “I believe these slower courts, meaning more physical play and more shots and more abrupt stopping and starting with more sand in the courts, just makes it really tough. Combine that with how many quality shots it takes to win points and it’s going to eventually be a player health issue. I’m thinking of the N.F.L. and concussions. The real information can be 10 years down the road.”
“In all sports, contrasting styles make the matchups. With Federer and Nadal at least there’s something there. You have the righty-lefty. But Murray-Djokovic, it’s incredible tennis, but every point looks exactly the same.”

Patrick McEnroe thinks today’s game needs very little tweaking: “Go back and watch the tapes,” he said. “Serve-and-volley wasn’t that exciting. The tennis to me is so much better now than it’s ever been.”

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Prosle godine sam pokusao da uporedim Novaka sa Vilanderom, Edbergom i Bekerom i da otpilike statisticki odredim kakav je njihov raspored na nekoj vecnoj listi. Sada cu se ograniciti na direktno poredjenje Novaka sa svakim ponaosob. Prvi je Vilander, jer je on sa 26 godina fakticki zavrsio sa vrhunskim tenisom, pa da vidimo kako stoji Novak naspram njega u istoj zivotnoj dobi. Ova analiza ce se baviti generalnim brojkama vezanim za mesto na rang listi, uspesima na turnirima, GS turnirima i WTF (Mastersu).

ATP lista

Broj nedelja provedenih na prvom mestu:

Vilander ..... 20
Djokovic .... 101

Mesto na listi (kraj godine) po godinama:

Vilander ...... 7..4..4..3..3..3..1..12..41
Djokovic .... 78..16..3..3..3..3..1..1..2

Obojica po 7 godina u Top10 i to uzastopno. Novak svih 7 u Top5, Vilander 6 godina. Novak mnogo duze na prvom mestu i generalno mnogo bolji plasmani na kraju godine, tako da se moze reci da je dosta bolji od Vilandera.

Titule

Pobede/ porazi u karijeri:

Vilander .... 571-222 (72%)
Djokovic .... 543-132 (80.44%)

Ukupan broj titula:

Vilander ..... 33
Djokovic ..... 41

Ukupan broj finala:

Vilander ..... 59
Djokovic ..... 62

Uspesnost u finalima:

Vilander ..... 33-59 - 55.93%
Djokovic ..... 41-62 - 66.13%

Novak je bolji od Vilandera i u ukupnim brojkama i kada se procentualno gleda uspesnost.

Osvojeni turniri po podlogama (sljaka/trava/beton/tepih):

Vilander ...... 20/2/9/2
Djokovic ...... 8/1/32/0

Finala po podlogama (sljaka/trava/beton/tepih)

Vilander ...... 30/3/18/8
Djokovic ...... 14/4/44/0

Uspesnost u finalima (sljaka/trava/beton/tepih):

Vilander ......20-30 (66.67%) / 2-3 (66.67%) / 9-18 (50%) / 2-8 (25%)
Djokovic ......8-14 (57.14%) / 1-4 (25%) / 32-44 (72.73%) / 0-0

Vilander ima prednost na sljaci, ali procentulano Novak ne zaostaje mnogo. Na travi je u blagoj prednosti Vilander. Ocekivano, Novak je ubedljivo bolji na tvrdoj podlozi. Valander je bio relativno slab na tepihu, Novak nije imao prilike da puno igra na toj vrsti podloge.

Osvojeni turniri napolju/u dvorani:

Vilander ......30/3
Djokovic ......33/8

Finala napolju/u dvorani:

Vilander ......45/14
Djokovic ......52/10

Uspesnost u finalima:

Vilander ......30-45 (66.67%) / 3-14 (21.43%)
Djokovic ......33-52 (63.46%) / 8-10 (80%)

Moze se reci da su na otvorenom skoro egal, Novak je u blagoj prednosti u ukupnim brojkama, Vilander kada se procntualno gleda. U dvorani je Novak u ubedljivoj prednosti, Vilander je odigrao vise finala, ali Novak ima mnogo vise titula i zaista fantastican procenat kada dodje do finala.

Vrste osvojenih turnira (GS, WTF, Mastersi, serija 500, serija 250):

Vilander ...... 7/0/8/7/11
Djokovic ...... 6/3/16/9/7

Vilanderu sam vrste trunira odredjivao prema nagradnom fondu i konkurenciji. Vilander ima 1 GS trofej vise i cetiri titule vise iz serije 250, ali nju Novak vec duze vreme ni ne igra. Novak mnogo bolji na WTF, Mastersima i malo bolji u seriji 500.

Vrste osvojenih turnira po podlogama:

Sljaka (GS, Mastersi, serija 500, serija 250):

Vilander ...... 20 (3/3/4/10)
Djokovic ....... 8 (0/4/0/4)

Trava (GS, serija 500, serija 250):

Vilander ...... 2 (2/0/0)
Djokovic ...... 1 (1/0/0)

Beton (GS, WTF, Mastersi, serija 500, serija 250):

Vilander ........ 9 (2/0/5/0/2)
Djokovic ...... 32 (5/3/12/9/3)

Tepih (WTF, Mastersi, serija 500, serija 250):

Vilander ...... 2 (0/0/2/0)
Djokovic ...... 0

Dakle generalno Novak je u prednosti nad Vilanderom, pre svega zbog mnogo boljeg ucinaka na betonu. Vilander je bolji na sljaci, ali tu treba uzeti u obzir da Novak sem Mastersa i RG nista drugo i ne igra na toj podlozi, dok je Vilander igrao mnogo vise turnira (Novak ima vise osvojenih turnira Masters serije). Na travi malu prednost Vilanderu daju uspesi na AO dok se igrao na travi, dok je na Vimbldonu bolji Novak. Posto Novak nije puno igrao na tepihu, ne mogu se porediti na toj podlozi.

GS turniri:

Pobede/ porazi u karijeri:

Vilander .... 144-37 (79.56%)
Djokovic .... 158-30 (84.04%)

Ukupan broj titula:

Vilander ..... 7
Djokovic ..... 6

Ukupan broj finala:

Vilander ..... 11
Djokovic ..... 12

Uspesnost u finalima:

Vilander ..... 7-11 - 63.64%
Djokovic ..... 6-12 - 50%

Ukupno polufinala:

Vilander ..... 14
Djokovic ..... 21

Uspesnost u polufinalima:

Vilander ..... 11-14 - 78.57%
Djokovic ..... 12-21 - 57.14%

Uspesnost polufinale/broj titula:

Vilander ..... 7-14 - 50%
Djokovic ..... 6-21 - 28.57%

Ukupno 1/4 finala:

Vilander ..... 20
Djokovic ..... 26

Uspesnost u 1/4 finalima:

Vilander ..... 14-20 - 70%
Djokovic ..... 21-26 - 80.77%

U ukupnim brojkama, jedina prednost Vilandera je 1 trofej vise. Ali procentulano gledano Vilander stoji mnogo bolje kada dodje do zavrsnice. U finalima je dobijao 2 od 3 meca, a Novak svaki drugi. Svaki drugi ulazak u polufinale, za Vilandera je znacio i titulu, dok Novaku za trofej trebaju 3.5 polufinala. Ipak posto su opsti brojevi najvazniji, moze se reci da je Novak bolji na GS.

WTF (Masters)

Pobede/ porazi u karijeri:

Vilander .... 9-10 (47.37%)
Djokovic .... 19-9 (67.86%)

Ukupan broj titula:

Vilander ..... 0
Djokovic ..... 3

Ukupan broj finala:

Vilander ..... 1
Djokovic ..... 3

Uspesnost u finalima:

Vilander ..... 0-1 - 0%
Djokovic ..... 3-3 - 100%

Ukupno polufinala:

Vilander ..... 4
Djokovic ..... 4

Uspesnost u polufinalima:

Vilander ..... 1-4 - 25%
Djokovic ..... 3-4 - 75%

Samo se potvrdjuje brojke kada igraju u dvorani. Novak ubedljivo bolji na zavrsnom turniru.

Zakljucak: Novak je po ukupnim brojkama u dosadasjoj karijeri vec sada bolji od Vilandera.

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Evo konkretnog kako izgleda ucinak Vilandera i Novaka na svakom GS (titula/finale/1/2 finale/1/4 finale):

AO:

Vilander ...... 3/4/5/5 (na travi 2/3/3/3, na betonu 1/1/2/2)
Djokovic ...... 4/4/4/6

Vilander u finalima savladao: Lendla, Karena i Kesa. Porazen od Edberga. U polufinalima savladao Mekenroa, Krika, Zivojinovica i Edberga. U polufinalu izgubio od Edberga.
Novak u finalima savladao: Congu, 2 puta Marija i Nadala. U polufinalima dobio 2 puta Federera, Marija i Ferera. U 1/4 finalu porazen od Rodika i Conge.

* zelenim slovima oznaceni protivnici na travi

RG:

Vilander ...... 3/5/6/7
Djokovic ...... 0/1/5/7

Vilander u finalima savladao: Viljasa, Lendla i Lekonta. Porazen od Noe i Lendla. U polufinalima savladao Klerka, Iguearasa, Mekenroa, Bekera i Agasija. Porazen u polufinalu od Lendla. U 1/4 finalu izgubio od Cesnokova.
Novak u finalu izgubio od Nadala. U polufinalu dobio Federera. U polufinalu gubio 3 puta od Nadal i jednom od Federera. U 1/4 finalu izgubio od Nadal i Melcera.

Vimbldon:

Vilander ...... 0/0/0/3
Djokovic ...... 1/2/5/6

Vilander u 1/4 finalu gubio od Kesa, Mecira i Mekenroa.
Novak u finalu dobio Nadala. U finalu izgubio od Marija. U polufinalu dobio Congu i Del Potra. U polufinalu izgubio od Nadala, Berdiha i Federera. U 1/4 finalu izgubio od Hasa.

USO:

Vilander ...... 1/2/3/5
Djokovic ...... 1/5/7/7

Vilander u finalu savldao Lendla. U finalu izgubio od Lendla. U polufinalu savldao Edberga i Kejhila. U polufinalu izgubio od Mekenroa. U 1/4 finalu izgubio od Lendla i Kesa.
Novak u finalu savldao Nadala. U finalu gubio od Nadala dva puta, Marija i Federera. U polufinlu dva puta izgubio od Federera.

Moze se reci da su vrlo blizu na AO i USO, ali da na oba Novak ima prednost (vecu na USO). Novak je mnogo bolji na Vimbldonu. Vilander je bolji na RG. Na RG su skoro isti kada se gleda do polufinala, ali u tom mecu Novak samo jedna pobeda, Vilander samo jedan poraz.

Ucinak na GS turnirma po vrsti podloge (titula/finale/1/2 finale/1/4 finale):

Sljaka:

Vilander ...... 3/5/6/7
Djokovic ...... 0/1/5/7

Trava:

Vilander ...... 2/3/3/6
Djokovic ...... 1/2/5/6

Beton:

Vilander ....... 2/3/5/7
Djokovic ....... 5/9/11/13

Ovde je interesatno pogledati travu i beton (sljaka se poklapa sa RG). Kada se na rezultate Vimbldona dodaju i rezultati sa AO koji su igrani na travi, Vilander je u blagoj prednosti u odnosu na Novaka. Moglo bi se zakljuciti da je bolji igrac od Novaka i na sljaci i na travi. Na betonu (kombinovani rezultati sa USO i AO) Novak je izrazito bolji.

[Gama]

Jeste bolji, samo jos bode oci broj GS-a. E kad bi mogao Nole da osvoji jos 2 minimum pa da mi bude "lakse"

[cecans]

Za Tatu jedan veliki za analizu i naravno za Novaka sto je vec sad bolji od Matsa
Gama, nije valjda da sumnjas da ce Nole osvojiti jos dva GS, bice njih i vise

[Gama]

Ha, ma ne sumnjam Ceco ali opet, ne zna se sto se kaze, sta donosi dan sta noc.
Zato bi mu bolje bilo sto pre da ih osvoji
Vec dva mu promakla ove godine i to na koji nacin

Da, svaka cast za Tatu

[alcesta]

Jeste bolji, samo jos bode oci broj GS-a. E kad bi mogao Nole da osvoji jos 2 minimum pa da mi bude "lakse"

Dovoljno je da osvoji još jedan (zna se koji ) pa da bude bolji ne samo od Matsa nego i od nekolicine drugih koji nemaju sve kompletirane
Tata, svaka ti čast kako te ne mrzi ajde za titule i finala, ali računati čak i četvrtfinala, to je više nego temeljno
Btw, ovaj mučeni Karen je baš bio baksuz u ta svoja dva finala, služio je samo da proslavi druge, a ko ga se danas uopšte i seća...

[Milutinov Tata]

Btw, ovaj mučeni Karen je baš bio baksuz u ta svoja dva finala, služio je samo da proslavi druge, a ko ga se danas uopšte i seća...

Seca ga se Beker po lepom, a bogami i Mek i Konors se trznu kada se spomene njegovo ime Inace igrao sa Ivanisevicem 1/4 finale na Vimbldonu 1990., pa ga se mozda i on seca po lepom.

[Milutinov Tata]

Dopunio sam malo postove u vezi komparacije Novaka i Vilandera (u prvom postu deo o vrstama osvojenih turnira po podlogama, u drugom ucinak na GS turnirima po vrsti podloge). Obratite paznju na zavrsni deo drugog posta, Vilander ima bar 2 trofeja sa sve tri podloge. Jedini uz njega to ima Nadal.

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Srećan rođendan Monika