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Ko će biti učesnici F4 turnira u Kaunasu?

Poll ended at 25 Apr 2023, 18:52

Olimpijakos
16
15%
Barselona
24
23%
Real Madrid
7
7%
Monako
15
14%
Makabi
11
11%
Partizan
19
18%
Žalgiris
2
2%
Fenerbahče
10
10%
 
Total votes : 104

Re: Evroliga

Postby Bogun » 31 Mar 2024, 09:43

Uf, to sam skroz smetnuo sa uma, tuđe h2h skorove. :nisamja:

Mi imamo pozitivan h2h sa svim timovima od Baskonije, Efesa, Žalgirisa, Milana i Valensije. Zato sam pogrešio.
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Re: Evroliga

Postby Mainland » 01 Apr 2024, 15:40

Barkas pise da Alba silazi u Evrokup...
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Re: Evroliga

Postby Bogun » 01 Apr 2024, 15:53

1. Real 26:6
2. Panatinaikos 21:11
3. Monako 21:11
4. Barselona 21:11
5. Olimpijakos 20:12
6. Fenerbahče 20:12

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7. Makabi 19:13
8. Virtus 17:15

9. Baskonija 16:16
10. Efes 15:17
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11. Žalgiris 14:18
12. Armani 14:18
13. Partizan 14:18
14. Valensija 14:18
15. Bajern 13:19
16. Crvena zvezda 11:21
17. Asvel 7:25
18. Alba 5:27



I dalje je samo Real matematički obezbedio Plej Of, dok su tri tima bez matematičkih šansi Zvezda, Asvel i Alba.

Da se ne bih ponavljao svi timovi od drugog do petog mesta još uvek nisu matematički obezbedili Plej Of, svima treba isto ili da pobede jednu utakmicu ili da Makabi izgubi jednu utakmicu i u tom slučaju će obezbediti plasman u TOP6.

2. Panatinaikos 21:11
Raspored do kraja: @Bajern, Alba

Mislim da su pobedom u Bolonji faktički obezbedili Plej Of i domaći teren istovremeno i sada im je ostalo da to samo i potvrde u jednom od naredna dva kola.
Sa dve pobede u poslednje dve utakmice obezbediće drugo mesto na kraju regularnog dela jer su najbolji u krugu sa Monakom i Barselonom, ako do kruga ne dođe, imaju 2:0 sa Monakom, sa Barselonom je nerešeno, ali trenutno im beže 35 poena u ukupnoj koš razlici, sve staje u utakmicu u Minhenu, ako to dobiju biće drugi na kraju, ako izgube mogu vrlo lako da izgube domaći teren.

3. Monako 21:11
Raspored do kraja: Žalgiris, Bajern

Izvukli su se protiv Asvela, sada imaju dva domaćinstva do kraja regularnog dela, realno trebalo bi da pobede oba, mada nakon što su dobili Barselonu i nakon što je Džejms prestigao Spanulisa po broju poena protiv Zvezde, igraju dosta slabije po mom mišljenju, kao da otaljavaju posao.
Sa dve pobede će obezbediti treće mesto, za nešto više im treba kiks Panatinaikosa. U krugu sa Panatom i Barsom su drugi (a treći na tabeli) jer imaju 2:2 u mini tabeli.
U slučaju skora 1:1 mogu izgubiti domaći teren, ipak obzirom da imaju dva domaćinstva očekujem da ostvare dve pobede, iako Žalgirisu baš treba pobeda, ne verujem da će se kockati pred Plej Of baš toliko.

4. Barselona 21:11
Raspored do kraja: Makabi, @Asvel

Relativno lako su dobili u Minhenu.
Sa dve pobede obezbediće četvrto mesto na kraju regularnog dela sezone, za nešto više im trebaju kiksevi Panatinaikosa i/ili Monaka. Ako dobiju Makabi u sledećem kolu, ostvariće obe pobede do kraja, jer ne verujem da će ugroziti domaći teren u Vilerbanu, iako je Asvel značajno podigao nivo igre u poslednje vreme.

5. Olimpijakos 20:12
Raspored do kraja: @Crvena zvezda, Fenerbahče

Velika pobeda u Beogradu, iskoristili su naš raspad u poslednjoj četvrtini.
Sada ih čeka povratak u Beograd, pa onda težak meč sa Fenerbahčeom kući u poslednjem kolu.
Teško mogu do domaćeg terena u četvrtfinalu, jer imaju "realne" šanse da uhvate samo Panatinaikos jer sa njima imaju pozitivan međusobni skor u slučaju nekog neočekivanog kiksa Panatinaikosa. Da bi prestigli Barselonu ili Monako, treba im da neko od njih ostvari 0:2 i da oni ostvare 2:0, deluje da će u doigravanje sa petog ili šestog mesta.

6. Fenerbahče 20:12
Raspored do kraja: Efes, @Olimpijakos

Lagano su rešili Albu uz 50 poena Hejs Dejvisa...
Prvo ide turski derbi, pa gostovanje u Pireju, biće teško da ostvare dve pobede, ali je moguće.
Imaju bolji međusobni skor od svih timova iznad, tako da im treba kiks bilo kog tima sa skorom 21:11 i njihove dve pobede i imaće domaći teren. Iako postuji opcija da "tankuju" utakmicu protiv Efesa (ako Barselona dobije Makabi) da bi gađali šesto mesto i seriju sa Monakom umesto seriju sa Barselonom, ipak ne verujem da će rizikovati da u Plej Of uđu sa dva vezana poraza, jer bi onda i u Pireju morali da tankuju, jer ih maltene svaka pobeda u poslednjem kolu vodi na peto mesto.

7. Makabi 19:13
Raspored do kraja: @Barselona, Armani

Rešili su Valensiju u prošlom kolu (šesta vezana u Evroligi), sada ih čekaju dve teške utakmice, pogotovo prva u Blaugrani, ako to dobiju vrlo realno izgleda da završe sa 21:13 skorom, pak ako izgube u Blaugrani, ne bih se začudio da ostanu na 19 pobeda na kraju.
Iako nisu izgubili teoretske šanse za prvih šest, mora baš mnogo toga da se poklopi da bi se pomerili sa sedmog mesta na gore, sa druge strane, ne mogu da idu ispod sedmog mesta, jer imaju dve pobede više i međusobni skor u odnosu na Virtus. Tako da su obezbedili dve prilike da kroz Plej In obezbede Plej Of, na "domaćem terenu".
Teoretski, Makabi može da uđe i u prva četiri, ali mislim da su veće šanse da nas do kraja evrolige spiči meteor nego to da se desi.

8. Virtus 17:15
Raspored do kraja: @Armani, Baskonija

Protiv Panatinaikosa su doživeli peti vezani poraz u Evroligi, ujedno su izgubili šanse za sedmim mestom.
Ipak, matematički su obezbedili Plej In, ne mogu da padnu ispod desetog mesta, treba im jedna pobeda u naredne dve utakmice da bi obezbedili osmo mesto i potencijalno domaći teren ako izgube od Makabija u prvoj utakmici doigravanja.
Ako izgube obe utakmice, mogu da padnu na deveto ili deseto mesto u zavisnosti od toga šta Baskonija i Efes urade do kraja regularnog dela.

9. Baskonija 16:16
Raspored do kraja: @Real, @Virtus

Za mene lično, baš neočekivan poraz od Efesa u Vitoriji, ujedno to im je treći vezani poraz u Evroligi, a vrlo lako ih može koštati plasmana u Plej In. Od svih 18 timova u Evroligi imaju drugi najteži raspored u poslednja dva kola, Real iako je obezbedio prvo mesto čisto sumnjam da neće ići na pobedu, a potom imaju i gostovanje u Bolonji.
Sa dve pobede, obezbediće minimum deveto mesto, ili osmo mesto ako Virtus izgubi obe, odnosno trebaće im pobeda od 11 razlike u poslednjem kolu za osmo mesto, ako Virtus pre toga trijumfuje protiv Armanija.
Sa jednom pobedom će obezbediti Plej In, makar sa desetog mesta.
Ako kojim slučajem izgube obe utakmice, mnogo će zavisiti od ostalih rezultata. Ako bi direktna međusobni odlučivao, bili bi sigurni samo ako ih stigne Armani.

10. Efes 15:17
Raspored do kraja: @Fenerbahče, Crvena zvezda

Kao što sam naveo gore, baš iznenađujuća pobeda u Vitoriji (barem za mene), koja ih je stavila u pol poziciju po pitanju jurnjave za Plej Inom. Sada im sledi gostovanje Fenerbahčeu, ukoliko to pobede, gotovo sigurno završavaju sa skorom 17:17.
Dve pobede im garantuju ulazak u Plej In, a možda čak i osmo mesto ukoliko dođe do trougla sa Virtusom i Baskonijom.
Sa jednom pobedom do kraja će biti u finoj poziciji da prođu naravno u ako dođe do krugova.
Ako pak Baskonija pobedi jednu ili dve utakmice, a Efes dođe na 16 pobeda, ako ih stigne bilo koji od timova sa 14 pobeda, ispašće jer imaju lošiji međusobni skor od Žalgirisa, Armanija, Partizana i Valensije.

11. Žalgiris 14:18
Raspored do kraja: @Monako, Real

Dobili su Armani prilično ubedljivo, ali imaju najteži raspored u naredna dva kola.
Mislim da su baš male šanse da dobiju obe utakmice, obzirom protiv kojih ekipa igraju i da će im sve stati u prvvu utakmicu, odnosno gostovanje u Monaku, ako to kojim slučejem dobiju, možda mogu da iznenade i Real u poslednjem kolu.
Ako dođe do toga da dirketni međusobni odlučuje za deseto mesto, bili bi ispred Baskonije, Efesa i Armanija, a ispali bi u odnsou na Partizan ili Valensiju.

12. Armani 14:18
Raspored do kraja: Virtus, @Makabi

Nastavljaju po starom, nakon velikih pobeda ide neki baš neočekivan poraz.
Sada čekaju Vritus koji moraju da dobiju, pa posle ide meč protiv Makabija u gostima, a velika je verovatnoća da ta utakmica za Makabi neće biti od rezultatskog značaja.
Direktan međusobni imaju bolji od Efesa i Valensije, a lošiji od Žalgirisa, Partizana i Baskonije.

13. Partizan 14:18
Raspored do kraja: @Alba, Valensija

Baš težak poraz u Areni od Olimpijakosa, pogotovo nakon što si kontrolisao utakmicu 30 minuta.
Prvo ide gostovanje Albi koja je u seriji od devet evroligaških poraza, a posle toga dolazi Valensija.
Bolji direktna međusobni od svih Žalgirisa, Baskonije, Efesa i Armanija. Sa Valensijom ne može da se izjednači na 16 pobeda.

14. Valensija 14:18
Raspored do kraja: Asvel, @Partizan

Izgubili su od Makabija poprilično lako.
Prvo dočekuju Asvel koji igra bolje u poslednje vreme, ali mislim da neće moći da ugrozi Valensiju u gostima, posle toga gostovanje Partizanu koje im može doneti plasman u Plej In.
Direktan međusobni bolji od Efesa, Baskonije i Žalgirisa, lošiji od Armanija.

15. Bajern 13:19
Raspored do kraja: Panatinaikos, @Monako

Posle poraza od Barselone, ostali su samo sa teoretskim šansama da dođu do desetog mesta.
Sve i da dobiju obe, Efes ne sme da ostvari pobedu da bi oni imali šanse. Mada gledajući raspored, realnije deluje da završe sa dva poraza, nego sa dve pobede.


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Da ne bih za svaki klub od 9. do 14. mesta pisao da objedinim ovako. ako Baskonija dobije jednu i Efes obe utakmice, svi timovi na 14 pobeda trenutno su eliminisani, ako se pak to ne desi, može doći do raznih krugova, koji će biti u spojleru (koji otvarate na sopstvenu odgovornost).

Spoiler: pokaži
Ako Baskonija ostvari 0:2 i Efes ostvari 1:1

9. Žalgiris 3:1
10. Efes 2:2

11. Baskonija 1:3

9. Armani 2:2 (+4)
10. Efes 2:2 (+4)

11. Baskonija 2:2 (-8)

9. Efes 2:2 (+10)
10. Partizan 2:2 (+7)

11. Baskonija 2:2 (-17)

9. Efes 2:2 (+13)
10. Valensija 2:2 (+2)

11. Baskonija 2:2 (-15)

9. Žalgiris 5:1
10. Efes 3:3

11. Baskonija 2:4 (+6)
12. Armani 2:4 (-6)

9. Partizan 4:2
10. Žalgiris 3:3 (+26)

11. Efes 3:3 (-26)
12. Baskonija 2:4

9. Žalgiris 4:2
10. Valensija 3:3 (+1)

11. Efes 3:3 (-1)
12. Baskonija 2:4

9. Partizan 3:3 (+18)
10. Efes 3:3 (0)

11. Armani 3:3 (-7)
12. Baskonija 3:3 (-11)

9. Armani 3:3 (+23)
10. Efes 3:3 (+3)

11. Baskonija 3:3 (-9)
12. Valensija 3:3 (-17)

9. Partizan 5:3 (2:0)
10. Žalgiris 5:3 (0:2)

11. Efes 4:4
12. Baskonija 3:5 (+6)
13. Armani 3:5 (-6)

9. Žalgiris 6:2
10. Valensija 4:4 (+1)

11. Efes 4:4 (-1)
12. Baskonija 3:5 (+6)
13. Armani 3:5 (-6)

Ima čak 11 varijanti i Baskonija bi izvisila u svakoj, Partizan i Žalgiris bi prošli u svakoj.

Ako Baskonija izgubi obe, a Efes ostvari skor od 2:0 ili 0:2.
U ovoj situaciji, krugovi bi bili isti, samo bi se pozicije na tabeli pomerile za jedan gore ili dole. Prvo ide plasman ako Efes ostvari 0:2, pa u zagradi ako ostvare 2:0, logično zeleni tim prolazi u obe varijante, a plavi tim samo ako Efes izgubi obe.

9.(10.) Žalgiris 4:0
10.(11.) Baskonija 1:3
11.(12.) Armani 1:3

9.(10.) Partizan 3:1
10.(11.) Žalgiriis 2:2
11.(12.) Baskonija 1:3

9.(10.) Žalgiris 3:1
10.(11.) Valensija 2:2
11.(12.) Baskonija 1:3

9.(10.) Partizan 2:2 (+14)
10.(11.) Baskonija 2:2 (+3)
11.(12.) Armani 2:2 (-17)

9.(10.) Armani 2:2 (+13)
10.(11.) Baskonija 2:2 (+5)
11.(12.) Valensija 2:2 (-18)

9.(10.) Partizan 4:2 (2:0)
10.(11.) Žalgiris 4:2 (0:2)
11.(12.) Baskonija 2:4 (+6)
12.(13.) Armani 2:4 (-6)

9.(10.) Žalgiris 5:1
10.(11.) Valensija 3:3
11.(12.) Baskonija 2:4 (+6)
12.(13.) Armani 2:4 (-6)

Ovde su jedine krugovi u kojima Baskonija može da prođe ako izgubi obe, i to pod uslovom da Efes ima 2 poraza.

Baskonija pobedi, Efes ostvari 1:1

10. Žalgiris 3:1
11. Efes 2:2
12. Armani 1:3

10. Partizan 3:1
11. Efes 2:2
12. Žalgiris 1:3

10. Žalgiris 2:2 (+16)
11. Valesnija 2:2 (+11)
12. Efes 2:2 (-27)

10. Partizan 2:2 (+15)
11. Armani 2:2 (-1)
12. Efes 2:2 (-14)

10. Armani 2:2 (+29)
11. Efes 2:2 (-11)
12. Valensija 2:2 (-18)

10. Partizan 4:2
11. Žalgiris 3:3 (+26)
12. Efes 3:3 (-26)
13. Armani 2:4

10. Žalgiris 4:2
11. Valensija 3:3 (+1)
12. Efes 3:3 (-1)
13. Armani 2:4 2:4

Baskonija pobedi, Efes ostvari 0:2 skor.

10. Partizan 3:1
11. Žalgiris 2:2
12. Armani 1:3

10. Žalgiris 3:1
11. Valensija 2:2
12. Armani 1:3

Baskonija prolazi u 3 od 25 varijanti.
Efes prolazi u 7 od 18 varijanti.
Žalgiris prolazi u 13 od 23 varijante.
Armani prolazi u 4 od 23 varijante.
Valensija prolazo u 5 od 14 varijanti.
Partizan prolazi u 14 od 14 varijanti.
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Re: Evroliga

Postby Stefi 123 » 01 Apr 2024, 16:08

Mainland wrote:Barkas pise da Alba silazi u Evrokup...

Hvala bogu vise...
Umesto njih Pariz ili Besiktas ostalo sve isto, svi srecni i zadovolji... :roll:
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Re: Evroliga

Postby Borca » 01 Apr 2024, 19:29

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Re: Evroliga

Postby dacolik » 02 Apr 2024, 12:38

https://basketnews.com/news-204071-the- ... eague.html


However, as confirmed by EuroLeague, these licenses will expire at the end of the 2025-2026 season, when the original 10-year agreement that was signed in 2016 with IMG and transformed the EuroLeague format into what we know today will expire.

Therefore, the changes could be numerous because no one will have a guaranteed position anymore, and therefore, the flexibility to make radical changes will be significantly greater.
“Igraci koji su spremni naporno da treniraju , nisu spremni da lako izgube. “

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Re: Evroliga

Postby Tilt » 02 Apr 2024, 13:29

U ostatku članka se navodi da bi dugogodišnje licence izgubili CSKA i Asvel, tj. da je malo verovatno da mogu dobiti nove od 2026. godine. Alba se navodi kao idelan član EC, jer im je naglasak na razvoju igrača.
Dubai je prvi kandidat za dugogodišnju licencu.
Pariz je viđen u EL i to više nije pitanje da li će, nego kada će postati član EL (sa dugogodišnjom licencom). Slično i za Monako.
Partizan i Zvezda se posmatraju u paketu i smatra se da zaslužuju da budu deo EL. Isto i za Virtus.
Sumnja se u projekat Londona, tj. u njegove trenutne vlasnike jer ispade da nisu tako solventni kako su se predstavili.
Pominje se Hapoel Jerusalim da bi bio rado viđen tim u EL ukoliko vlasnici žele da klub bude na tom nivou.
Ne pominju se španski i turski klubovi.
Ništa novo, bacih 1 eur u fontanu želja :biggrin:

Spoiler: pokaži
In 2026, the EuroLeague might see major changes in its organization. The multi-year licenses of the shareholders clubs will end, and there will be more opportunities to change the competition ecosystem. BasketNews takes a look at some of the changes that might happen in the next few years and how these changes might shape the future of the top European basketball competition.

EuroLeague is entering a crucial moment in its season. In a few weeks, we will know the eight teams that will participate in the playoffs, and for the first time, we will witness the Play-In Tournament after the success it had found at the NBA level.

But the play-in is certainly not the only change we will see in the EuroLeague in the months and years to come.

There have been plenty of talks this season of the now imminent entry of a Dubai team into the organization.

The Dubai team is expected to begin its adventure in the EuroCup after the ABA League gives its okay to enter a domestic competition.

But the face of Europe's top competition could change even more in the coming years. Indeed, several EuroLeague officials are aiming for an expansion that would involve more teams than the current 18.

Expanding the competition to include more teams, however, would require flexibility that is currently not easy to have, considering that 13 of the 18 teams participating in the EuroLeague hold multi-year licenses.

However, as confirmed by EuroLeague, these licenses will expire at the end of the 2025-26 season, when the original 10-year agreement that was signed in 2016 with IMG and transformed the EuroLeague format into what we know today, will expire.

Therefore, the changes could be numerous because no one will have a guaranteed position anymore, and therefore, the flexibility to make radical changes will be significantly greater.

Between more likely scenarios and others less so, BasketNews tried to envision how the EuroLeague might change in a few years. What might be the future of our favorite competition?

Dubai and Abu Dhabi
In the near future of the EuroLeague, one of the things we should most likely get used to will be travel to the UAE. A multi-year license for the Dubai team seems only a matter of time as well as the Final Four being hosted at Abu Dhabi's Coca Cola Arena, one of the largest and most modern in the entire Middle East.

The growing influence of the UAE and other countries of the Arabian Peninsula in the world of sports could not fail to reach into the realm of European basketball as well.

If all goes according to expectations, it is very likely to envision the Dubai team as one of the new EuroLeague shareholders in the coming years, and with the Emirati team's economic potential, it is hard not to think that it could soon establish itself among the competition's major powers.

There will be no shortage of criticism, and more old-school EuroLeague fans will not like this change, but for a competition that, especially in recent years, has always struggled to be financially sustainable, any new source of money and sponsorship cannot be ignored.

After all, even the NBA, the best basketball league in the world, has entered into a partnership with Abu Dhabi, bringing several pre-season games to the Middle East. It is not hard to imagine that this partnership could go even further in the future.

Even the EuroLeague itself is reportedly considering entering the Middle East market permanently by collaborating on the creation of a league for teams from the area and reserving a share of the revenues that should result.

The entry of a Dubai team in the ABA League should not, in fact, be a definitive solution but only an intermediate step that should lead to the creation of a league for teams from the Middle East area that can turn into a solid and lasting reality and generate revenues for European basketball as well.

With several sponsors willing to lend financial support, including fellow airline Fly Emirates, the feeling is that this agreement between EuroLeague and Emirati businessmen could really push Europe's top competition to new horizons.

Still without Russian teams?

No one has a crystal ball, so imagining what the geopolitical scenario will be in two years is impossible. However, at the moment, it is really hard to think of a future for Russian teams within the EuroLeague.

As long as Russia is engaged in the war in Ukraine, there will be no room for Russian teams in all major European competitions of any sport, plain and simple.

Andrey Vatutin, president of CSKA Moscow, has himself described as "fantasies" speculation about Russian clubs returning to the EuroLeague.

Relations, especially with CSKA, remain cordial and highly respectful, but, as of today, imagining a re-entry of Russian teams seems to be pure fantasy.

Therefore, it is not so impossible to imagine that when the multi-year licenses expire, we might move in the direction of a EuroLeague definitively without Russian teams, removing the license from CSKA and giving up the participation of other clubs such as Zenit or UNICS.

Although CSKA has played an extremely important role in the competition's recent history, winning it several times and steadily being one of the teams to beat virtually every season, the prospect of its permanent departure from the competition seems to be becoming increasingly concrete.

Could the EuroLeague really survive without Russian teams? As of today, this hypothesis seems far from being ruled out.

A multi-year license for both Zvezda and Partizan
With the expiration of the current multi-year licenses and the possibility of giving new ones, the EuroLeague could finally put an end to one of the competition's most serious shortcomings in the recent past, namely the stable presence of the Serbian derby between Crvena Zvezda and Partizan.

The two Serbian teams, in fact, have not had a stable presence in the competition in the last decade and have never been granted a multi-year license but only wild cards valid for single seasons.

2026 may finally be the right year to remedy this lack and bring both Crvena Zvezda and Partizan permanently within the EuroLeague.

In the past two seasons, in fact, the atmosphere generated by the Serbian EuroLeague derbies has been all over the world, showing how far Old World basketball can make inroads across the ocean.

Both teams' fan bases are among the most passionate in Europe, and every home game is sold out very early.

Although both clubs in the recent past have had their fair share of problems and have not always been financially stable, the EuroLeague can no longer do without them if it wants to build a product that is genuinely interesting both inside and outside Europe.

The time has come to have Crvena Zvezda and Partizan permanently within EuroLeague, make it happen.

Paris and Monaco, the French factor
French basketball is experiencing an incredible moment. The national league is clearly growing, there are more prospects in view of the NBA draft, the Olympics will soon be held in Paris, and Monaco has become a major force in the EuroLeague in a very short time.

This season, we have also admired the exploits of Paris Basketball, a club chaired by former NBA executive David Kahn. The club has already qualified for the EuroCup final and has been playing spectacular basketball all season.

Having a competitive team in Paris has been one of the dreams of the EuroLeague for years, which would obviously love to have a team located in the French capital permanently among its teams.

Paris Basketball seems like the right project: it has a good club organization, the support of major sponsors, and a newly opened arena.

Everything seems to be in place to welcome Paris Basketball among future EuroLeague shareholders. Multiple sources have told BasketNews that a long-term license for Paris Basketball it's not a matter of "if" but "when" it will happen.

"The city of Paris and Paris Basketball are absolutely crucial in the future development of the competition," another EuroLeague source told BasketNews.

At the same time, it is difficult to imagine the medium/long-term future of the EuroLeague without the presence of Monaco.

The principality's club reached the EuroLeague Final Four last season and has invested heavily over the past few years.

Monte Carlo is a small market but one with enormous potential and an appeal that few others in the world have.

Despite some concerns regarding the difficulties that FedCom, the club's main sponsor and also a major EuroLeague partner, is having in moving capitals between Russia and Europe because of the war in Ukraine (which are still considered temporary difficulties, several sources told BasketNews), Monaco should still be a leading candidate for a multi-year license once the current ones expire, sources close to the EuroLeague have told BasketNews.

The case for Virtus Bologna

To date, Virtus Bologna is the last Italian team to win the EuroLeague, more than twenty 20 ago, in the 2000-01 season.

That season, Virtus won everything it could: the Italian championship, EuroLeague, and Italian Cup. Ettore Messina led the team from the bench and on the court, along with Manu Ginobili and Antoine Rigaudeau.

After extremely difficult years, the Bologna club regained stability and ambition in 2016 thanks to Massimo Zanetti, patron of the Segafredo Group, entering first as a sponsor and then as the club's majority owner.

In the following years, Virtus quickly returned to the top of Italian and European basketball, managing to win the national championship, a Basketball Champions League, and a EuroCup.

Last season, the Bolognese club returned to the EuroLeague after many, many years but did not impress much.

Last summer, with the arrival of Luca Banchi on the bench, the situation changed radically, and Virtus got a pass to play for a playoff spot thanks to the new play-in.

This season, the Bologna club is also racking up sold-out games one after another, with tickets for home games becoming increasingly difficult to come by.

Another factor that Virtus management will use to convince EuroLeague's top brass to grant a multi-year license when the opportunity arises.

Within two years Virtus Bologna should also have its new arena with a capacity of about 10,000 spectators, an ideal number for the EuroLeague stage.

After years of only Olimpia Milano's stable presence in Europe's top competition, it seems time for Italy to have a second team with a multi-year license.

What about London?
When talking about large markets that could further expand the EuroLeague's economic potential, London is the obvious choice.

For years, British basketball has struggled to grow, and even today, the situation in the English league is far from perfect. However, in recent seasons, the London Lions project, now owned by the American group 777 Partners, has grown exponentially, reaching the EuroCup semifinals this season.

777 Partners has also decided to invest in the British league, and the American group hopes that the money it invests will help grow the entire English basketball movement.

But before thinking about the Lions for a multi-year license there are some doubts to be resolved, starting precisely with the solidity of the 777 Partners group.

In fact, the American group recently announced that it was cutting its investment in the Lions women's team, which had achieved excellent results in recent seasons.

Furthermore, in recent months, several journalistic investigations have exposed even more important doubts about the American group's real financial capabilities.

For example, 777 Partners are trying to buy a majority stake in the English soccer team Everton. However, the Premier League is yet to approve the deal worth more than £550 million ($685m), according to ESPN.

Several of the soccer teams owned by the U.S. group are experiencing complex times, and multiple lawsuits are pending against 777 Partners in both the United States and the United Kingdom.

Until these doubts about the 777 Partners group's real economic capabilities are resolved, it is difficult to imagine that the London Lions can aspire to a multi-year license.

No more ASVEL and ALBA?
In a scenario of reallocating multi-year licenses, some teams could also lose theirs.

Earlier, we mentioned the case of CSKA Moscow, but it would lose due to force majeure, while others could lose theirs because, over the past years, they have not shown enough improvement.

One of these could be ASVEL. The French are one of the most historic clubs in the country, but despite recent investments there were many disappointing results and performances in the EuroLeague.

Tony Parker, president and majority owner, is struggling to find new investors and has had several problems this season in finding a new main sponsor who could bring liquidity within the club's budget.

The former San Antonio Spurs player will most likely not even be able to gain control over the new arena being built in the area, despite attempts in recent months.

The situation on the field, then, was certainly no better than the financial one. ASVEL has changed as many as three coaches this year, achieving poor results.

In recent years the French have systematically lost some of their best talent, who have preferred to emigrate elsewhere to find technical projects better suited to their growth.

Veterans in the group, such as Nando De Colo and Joffrey Lauvergne, could also leave at the end of the season, especially if the financial situation does not improve.

In short, if all multi-year licenses go up for rediscussion in 2026, ASVEL will have little reason to defend its own, and other clubs could present a more than viable alternative to the French.

ALBA Berlin, unlike ASVEL, does not have a multi-year license and represents a unique system within the EuroLeague.

The German club, in fact, is the only one that stakes its claim on younger players, giving them opportunities and minutes at the highest level.

The German club's management, especially at the EuroLeague level, is not obsessed with results but rather aims for a long-term project and progressive growth.

Despite being in an important market like Berlin, however, when the time comes to rediscuss the multi-year licenses, it would not be so surprising to imagine ALBA outside the EuroLeague.

In fact, the nature of their project is perhaps better suited to the EuroCup or the merger of BCL and EuroCup, which is likely to emerge in the next few years, rather than the EuroLeague.

Another Israeli team?
Maccabi Tel Aviv is among the founders of the EuroLeague, and for years, it was the only Israeli team in the competition.

But is it possible to imagine a scenario post-2026 in which another Israeli team could be present in Europe's top competition?

Considering recent developments at Hapoel Jerusalem, it certainly seems so. In the summer of 2023, entrepreneur Matan Adelson, son of current Dallas Mavericks owner Miriam, bought a majority stake in the club.

The club, currently in the Basketball Champions League, has ambitions to get to play in the EuroLeague, a desire that the new owner has certainly not hidden.

Financially, the Adelson family certainly has every chance to build a team capable of competing in the EuroLeague, and the city of Jerusalem would represent an important market to add to the competition.

It remains to be seen whether, in a few years, Hapoel Jerusalem will already have all the necessary elements to convince the EuroLeague to grant a multi-year license.

What is certain is that it will be extremely interesting to follow the development of Hapoel Jerusalem's project in the coming seasons.

The potential to transform into an elite club seems to be there, but, as we all know, money alone often does not make the difference.
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Re: Evroliga

Postby dacolik » 02 Apr 2024, 13:43

Mogao si mi reci pa da ti posaljem pdf. :D
Najvise sam ovo poslao zbog nekih prethodnih diskusija sa Pitom u kojima sam mu rekao da ove A licence su vezane sa ugovorom koji je potpisan sa IMG i da sve isticu juna 2026. godine. Nije mi vjerovao covjek.

Nista ih ne sprecava da Asvelu pokazu vrata ili npr. Zalgirisu ako bude boljih opcija od njih a bice.
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Postby Pit Bull » 02 Apr 2024, 16:43

Ali je zato relevantan Paxer u tekstu koji se informise na istom izvoru kao i pojedini domaci portali i insajderi. :laugh:

Isto kao sto kacis za Barkasa, a ne znas zbog cega je napisan tekst koji je napisao i na koga se pravi pritisak.

Msm. informisi se ti gdje hocs, ali ubice te zloba i sujeta. :roll:
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Postby dacolik » 02 Apr 2024, 20:50

To sto aludiras na to da je ovaj zabar tanak insajder je tacno 0% relevantno za ovu pricu jbg.

A licence su vezane za desetogodisnji ugovor s IMG koji traje do ljeta 2026. godine...
Nije uopste bitno sto to nisi znao ili da je Alba na jednogodisnji WC nego sto se u takvim diskusijama postavljas iz pozicije sveznajuceg.


Tako da, sto bi ti rekao...

Pit Bull wrote:Ljudi, nemojte biti uvjereni ako ne znate nesto.

“Igraci koji su spremni naporno da treniraju , nisu spremni da lako izgube. “

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Postby Pit Bull » 02 Apr 2024, 22:12

Ja se nikad ne postavljam iz pozicije sveznajuceg. To ti radis na forumu i ismijavas ljude koji ne djele tvoje misljenje na bilo kojoj temi. I to radis perfidno.

Ja postujem svacije misljenje, bilo da se slazem s nekim ili ne.

Za Paxera sam ti rekao da znam ko su mu izvori ovdje sto mi je dovoljno da ga ja ne smatram relevantnim, a hoces li ti, slobodno.

Recimo Barkas je prije nekog vremena isto tako pisao tekst u koji je svrstao Albu medju timove sa A licencom, da se naci na internetu. Ali sa Barkasom sam vec dobar i na vezi sam, tako da mislim da sam malcice upuceniji od tebe na tu temu i koje zakulisne igre se igraju.

Mada mene iskreno to i ne zanima, niti se bavim time. Niti uostalom radim novinarski posao niti mi je to zanimanje osim sto pomazem u nekim stvarima pa je nezaobilazno i da budem u toku oko necega. :)

Ali sam dovoljno upucen da znam ko radi za ciji racun i sta je kome interes. I za licence i dalje imam isto misljenje... Ti ne razlikujes dvije stvari, klubovi koji imaju A licence su vlasnici lige. Da li stvarno mislis da ce bilo koji vlasnik lige da dozvoli da njegov klub ne bude u ligi?

On ti u tekstu pominje Asvel kao nekog ko bi mogao ostati bez licence, kako to uopste funkcionise? Primorace Asvel da proda svoja prava nekom drugom ili? Ja nisam citao ECA ugovore, ali to mi djeluje suludo.

Doci ce 2026. godina, nema sumnje da ce biti nova podjela karata, ali vlasnici lige i dalje ostaju vlasnici lige i nemoj biti u iluziji da ce bilo koji vlasnik lige dozvoliti da ne bude ucesnik te iste lige. A ne vjerujem da ce vecinski glasati da postoji ispadanje kao takvo.

Samo mi nije jasno jesi jos uvijek stava da KKP ili KKCZ nece igrati EL sledece sezone ili si promijenio misljenje? Ovo sto pise u tekstu da je BG rivalitet izuzetno bitan i da je digao marketing visoko sam ti ja pisao jos u onoj diskusiji prije par mjeseci i da Evroliga ima visoko misljenje o ideji da oba kluba dugorocno budu tu. Ali ni to nije zakucano, finansijske knjige su cupave malo. Pogotovo u jednom BG klubu.
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Postby Dare » 02 Apr 2024, 23:00

Pit Bull wrote:Ja postujem svacije misljenje, bilo da se slazem s nekim ili ne.


A bit rich od forumasa koji je prisivao ljudima etiketu bolesnika i "odgovornosti" za povredu, kad su u decembru pisali o problemu igara i ponasanja Alekse Avramovica.
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Postby Produzenisamlekom » 03 Apr 2024, 11:21

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Valjda će uskoro i preostala 2 fosila
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